John McCain spreading fear about childhood vaccines

dmek25 · 03-10-2008, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by 70Chip

This is yet another example of doctors and scientists being completely clueless. They don't understand the first thing about autism and so hysterical mothers and Don Imus are free to speculate wildly.

this is about the most ridiculous thing i think anyone has ever posted here

DynamiteRave · 03-10-2008, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by dmek25

this is about the most ridiculous thing i think anyone has ever posted here

Hey come on now... Maybe he's a Scientologist.

erik2680 · 03-10-2008, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Is this a topic that is particularly close to you? Either personally or professionally.

I have a family member(Cousin) who has autism.

70Chip · 03-10-2008, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by dmek25

this is about the most ridiculous thing i think anyone has ever posted here

When was the last time they cured a disease? We've made demi-gods out of these people and they don't even understand exactly how aspirin works. Chris Rock had the best line. If you're blind, the best medical technology can do for you is give you a dog to haul your blind ass up and down the street.

And no I'm not a scientoligist. Nor am I a Christian Scientist which are the ones that don't believe in doctors. Scientologists oppose Psychiatry because they see therapy as competition for their movement, but I don't believe they oppose medicine per se.

I have no problem with doctors as long as people understand that 150 years from now, people will look back on things like chemotherapy the same way we look back at leaches. But for some reason you can't say anyhting bad about them without raising a shit storm.

DynamiteRave · 03-10-2008, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by 70Chip

When was the last time they cured a disease? We've made demi-gods out of these people and they don't even understand exactly how aspirin works. Chris Rock had the best line. If you're blind, the best medical technology can do for you is give you a dog to haul your blind ass up and down the street.

And no I'm not a scientoligist. Nor am I a Christian Scientist which are the ones that don't believe in doctors. Scientologists oppose Psychiatry because they see therapy as competition for their movement, but I don't believe they oppose medicine per se.

I have no problem with doctors as long as people understand that 150 years from now, people will look back on things like chemotherapy the same way we look back at leaches. But for some reason you can't say anyhting bad about them without raising a shit storm.

Just judging from what I've heard they don't use any kind of modern medicine. They tend to be against anything that could "taint" the natural order of things. Just like some fire fighters from 9/11 rejected psychological services and anti-depressants and medicines that would help PTSD, they turned to Scientology and were miraculous "cured".

As a psychology major, preparing for a psychology M.A. I think it's a load. Sure, some psychologists/psychiatrists are far too fast to throw drugs at people for a quick fix, but I believe that the majority of them try to fix those who want to be fixed and do so in a humane and hopefully truly concerned manner. As for those who don't want to be fixed, I have no problem with them rejecting modern day psychiatric methods but don't try to get in the way of those who do want help.

Not trying to hijack the thread, just my two cents.

That Guy · 03-10-2008, 11:49 PM

i didn't think psychologists could prescribe drugs. I thought that was the difference between them and psychiatrists...

and i don't think you can say scientists and doctors are clueless, since cure rates and life expectancy are way up from the 1800s, and will continue to rise to the best of available knowledge.

I mean, electronic principles and radio communication really hasn't changed much (except for making things smaller) since about the 1920s. calculus, geometry, that whole earth around the sun thing

some things don't change, and besides better biophysical/gene and quantum/nano knowledge, a lot of today's information will still hold true (like balanced diets, exercise, etc).

just because we can't cure everything instantly doesn't make this the dark ages or the pursuit of knowledge worthless, and, by the way, leeches are still used.

DynamiteRave · 03-11-2008, 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by That Guy

i didn't think psychologists could prescribe drugs. I thought that was the difference between them and psychiatrists...

and i don't think you can say scientists and doctors are clueless, since cure rates and life expectancy are way up from the 1800s, and will continue to rise to the best of available knowledge.

I mean, electronic principles and radio communication really hasn't changed much (except for making things smaller) since about the 1920s. calculus, geometry, that whole earth around the sun thing

some things don't change, and besides better biophysical/gene and quantum/nano knowledge, a lot of today's information will still hold true (like balanced diets, exercise, etc).

just because we can't cure everything instantly doesn't make this the dark ages or the pursuit of knowledge worthless, and, by the way, leeches are still used.

You're right. My mistake.

Hijinx · 03-11-2008, 01:35 AM

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Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

Hey come on now... Maybe he's a Scientologist.

Funniest post I read all week, I just spit half my beer on my monitor. Kudos to you.

Monkeydad · 03-11-2008, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by erik2680

The truth is that their is no evidence that Ethyl mercury causes autism.

No in science

There's at least as much evidence as cars causing the Earth to catch on fire.

jsarno · 03-11-2008, 03:31 PM

Man, I hope Obama gets these kinds of pointless threads dedicated to him too. Otherwise, that would be just be a shame to attack someone over one little insignificant (in the grand scheme of things) comment.

Monkeydad · 03-12-2008, 09:59 AM

^

Oh he does. When anyone says his full name in public, it's "hate speech"!

SmootSmack · 03-12-2008, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Buster

^

Oh he does. When anyone says his full name in public, it's "hate speech"!

Dumb comment.

Unfortunately, even people in his own party are making dumb comments

ABC News: Ferraro 'Absolutely Not' Sorry for Comment

Jsarno, I think that the original poster started this thread because it is of personal interest to him. But we wouldn't have known that based on the original post. Otherwise, you're right, it's nothing more than "Presidential Candidate Comments On Issue During Campaign Year"

dmek25 · 03-12-2008, 10:43 AM

you guys can save yourself some space around here. just put all the dumb, political nonsense right in this thread

jsarno · 03-12-2008, 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Dumb comment.

Unfortunately, even people in his own party are making dumb comments

ABC News: Ferraro 'Absolutely Not' Sorry for Comment

Jsarno, I think that the original poster started this thread because it is of personal interest to him. But we wouldn't have known that based on the original post. Otherwise, you're right, it's nothing more than "Presidential Candidate Comments On Issue During Campaign Year"

I'm not so sure those comments by Ferraro are completely off base though. Obama is almost to cult hero status, when was the last politician that popular? We are so eager to scream racism, we completely dismiss...well...racism. I have heard people actually say they would vote for Obama cause he's black. (which makes me laugh cause he's not) If you vote for someone cause he's black, guess what? You're a racist. Now, if you vote for someone cause of what they stand for, then that's cool. Unfortunately, not many that I have encountered could even tell you the state Senator Obama is from. So do I think Ferraro made dumb comments, yes. Do I think they are completely off base...absolutely not.

ps- That's the best sig I've seen from you SS.

djnemo65 · 03-13-2008, 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by jsarno

I'm not so sure those comments by Ferraro are completely off base though. Obama is almost to cult hero status, when was the last politician that popular? We are so eager to scream racism, we completely dismiss...well...racism. I have heard people actually say they would vote for Obama cause he's black. (which makes me laugh cause he's not) If you vote for someone cause he's black, guess what? You're a racist. Now, if you vote for someone cause of what they stand for, then that's cool. Unfortunately, not many that I have encountered could even tell you the state Senator Obama is from. So do I think Ferraro made dumb comments, yes. Do I think they are completely off base...absolutely not.

ps- That's the best sig I've seen from you SS.

Sounds like you hang out with some real dimwits Jsarno.

03-10-2008, 11:49 PM	#21
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Springfield, VA Age: 30 Posts: 15,616	Re: John McCain spreading fear about childhood vaccines i didn't think psychologists could prescribe drugs. I thought that was the difference between them and psychiatrists... and i don't think you can say scientists and doctors are clueless, since cure rates and life expectancy are way up from the 1800s, and will continue to rise to the best of available knowledge. I mean, electronic principles and radio communication really hasn't changed much (except for making things smaller) since about the 1920s. calculus, geometry, that whole earth around the sun thing some things don't change, and besides better biophysical/gene and quantum/nano knowledge, a lot of today's information will still hold true (like balanced diets, exercise, etc). just because we can't cure everything instantly doesn't make this the dark ages or the pursuit of knowledge worthless, and, by the way, leeches are still used. __________________ Who says shameless self promotion is stupid? oh yeah, that was me... Click For Tunes!

03-11-2008, 03:31 PM	#25
jsarno Franchise Player Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: 31 Spooner St. Age: 38 Posts: 9,534	Re: John McCain spreading fear about childhood vaccines Man, I hope Obama gets these kinds of pointless threads dedicated to him too. Otherwise, that would be just be a shame to attack someone over one little insignificant (in the grand scheme of things) comment. __________________ Zoltan is ZESTY! - courtesy of joeredskin

03-12-2008, 09:59 AM	#26
Monkeydad Gamebreaker Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: PA Age: 33 Posts: 14,884	Re: John McCain spreading fear about childhood vaccines ^ Oh he does. When anyone says his full name in public, it's "hate speech"!

03-12-2008, 10:43 AM	#28
dmek25 MVP Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: lancaster,pa Age: 51 Posts: 10,438	Re: John McCain spreading fear about childhood vaccines you guys can save yourself some space around here. just put all the dumb, political nonsense right in this thread __________________ "It's better to be quiet and thought a fool than to open ones mouth and remove all doubt." courtesy of 53fan

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