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Old 03-13-2008, 12:17 AM   #31
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I'm not so sure those comments by Ferraro are completely off base though. Obama is almost to cult hero status, when was the last politician that popular? We are so eager to scream racism, we completely dismiss...well...racism. I have heard people actually say they would vote for Obama cause he's black. (which makes me laugh cause he's not) If you vote for someone cause he's black, guess what? You're a racist. Now, if you vote for someone cause of what they stand for, then that's cool. Unfortunately, not many that I have encountered could even tell you the state Senator Obama is from. So do I think Ferraro made dumb comments, yes. Do I think they are completely off base...absolutely not.

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And I just saw this....Obama is not black? His dad is from Kenya. What in god's name are you talking about?
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Yeah, I just felt like she was especially being insulting to many who support Obama-whether they be Black, White, Indigo, whatever. I don't claim to be one of them, but I think the majority his supporters (throughout his political history) have legitimate reasons to support him.

I don't think this was the case for Ferraro, but I often wonder when comments such as hers are made are they made on purpose to allow a candidate to swoop in and "save the day" I mean there are so many "fall guys" in politics, I just can't help but think that there is a part of HC's camp that says "Ok, we need to create a situation so bad that Hillary can step right in and look good in return. Maybe, most likely, I'm just being cynical.

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And I just saw this....Obama is not black? His dad is from Kenya. What in god's name are you talking about?
I think he meant not 100%. Isn't his mother a Caucasian American, and he was raised by his mother and his Indonesian stepfather
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And I just saw this....Obama is not black? His dad is from Kenya. What in god's name are you talking about?
No he's not black...he's only part. His mother is just as white as his father is black. Just cause he embraces his black roots over his caucasian roots doesn't make him any more black.
If you are an Obama supporter, this is the kind of thing I am talking about. Know your candidate before supporting one.
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Yeah, I just felt like she was especially being insulting to many who support Obama-whether they be Black, White, Indigo, whatever. I don't claim to be one of them, but I think the majority his supporters (throughout his political history) have legitimate reasons to support him.
I think you are right. The majority is a good way to describe the supporters, but what about the others? I do feel there are a lot of supporters that don't have a clue who he is. Why do you think that is?
You are probably right about her intent of the comment as well.


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Sounds like you hang out with some real dimwits Jsarno.
And why is that? Cause I am not afraid to break down barriers and speak without fear of being politically correct?

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No he's not black...he's only part. His mother is just as white as his father is black. Just cause he embraces his black roots over his caucasian roots doesn't make him any more black.
If you are an Obama supporter, this is the kind of thing I am talking about. Know your candidate before supporting one.
He's black enough to split the white vote in Mississippi and Alabama pretty much along racial lines. Yes, there are idiots who voted for him simply because he is black, but there are as many if not more idiots who won't vote for him because he is black. To say that a black man named Barak Hussein Obama has an unfair political advantage over white politicians is, IMO, dumb.

As for him not being black enough, IMO if you're 50% African American, you're black because that's how the majority of people would define you.
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I think you are right. The majority is a good way to describe the supporters, but what about the others? I do feel there are a lot of supporters that don't have a clue who he is. Why do you think that is?
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He's black enough to split the white vote in Mississippi and Alabama pretty much along racial lines. Yes, there are idiots who voted for him simply because he is black, but there are as many if not more idiots who won't vote for him because he is black. To say that a black man named Barak Hussein Obama has an unfair political advantage over white politicians is, IMO, dumb.
There was a guy on CNN (a black man, can't remember his name cause I saw him in the Phoenix airport back in late January) that said that there just isn't the white racism in the world that people think. I tend to believe him. Sure it still exists in certain areas...there are always racists about every race, but overall it's just not there like it used to be. Maybe it's due to P.C., maybe it's due to awareness...who knows. But white people are just not as racist as people think.
You do have to ask yourself why Obama is getting well over 90% of the black votes, but yet across the country, there is no real correlation of who the white people are voting for. If white people were THAT racist, then Hilary would be running away with most states.

ps- I could safely assume that a lot of people do not in fact know that he is part white, and do not in fact know his middle name is Hussien. Most of you guys in the DC area know this stuff well cause politics are shoved down your throat 24/7. The rest of the world is not as educated (as a whole) when it comes to politics.

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As for him not being black enough, IMO if you're 50% African American, you're black because that's how the majority of people would define you.
I never said he wasn't "black enough". Just that he's not black. Just like Tiger Woods is not black.
Be very careful as to how you lump your assumptions because the "majority" of people believe it.
The majority of older Christians believe that evolution is not true.
The majority of the population used to believe the world was flat.
The majority of scientists believed the atom was the smallest thing in the world.

Kind of reminds me of the Lincoln quote:
"You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time."
The majority is not always right.
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Our country has made great strides in race relations in the past 30 or so years. I think the overwhelming majority of whites are NOT racist. But, racism does exist. There are racist whites, racist blacks, racist Latinos, racist Asians, etc. African Americans overwhelmingly cast their votes for Obama. But, look at the voting demographics in any New England state and compare those stats to the voting demographics in Mississippi and Alabama and you will see a very clear difference in the white vote. In New England, the white vote was pretty much split between Barak and Hillary. In the deep South, the white vote was solidly behind Hillary. (Disclaimer: I obviously do not believe all, or even a majority, of white Southerners are racist.)

As for Obama being "black enough," I simply meant to say that you asserted that Obama was not black enough to qualify as truly black. If you believe that black means someone who is 100% African American, you will soon find that there are very few blacks in the U.S. Historically, people have been labeled black if they appeared black. Obama appears black. Therefore, at least historically speaking, Obama is black.
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Our country has made great strides in race relations in the past 30 or so years. I think the overwhelming majority of whites are NOT racist. But, racism does exist. There are racist whites, racist blacks, racist Latinos, racist Asians, etc. African Americans overwhelmingly cast their votes for Obama. But, look at the voting demographics in any New England state and compare those stats to the voting demographics in Mississippi and Alabama and you will see a very clear difference in the white vote. In New England, the white vote was pretty much split between Barak and Hillary. In the deep South, the white vote was solidly behind Hillary. (Disclaimer: I obviously do not believe all, or even a majority, of white Southerners are racist.)

As for Obama being "black enough," I simply meant to say that you asserted that Obama was not black enough to qualify as truly black. If you believe that black means someone who is 100% African American, you will soon find that there are very few blacks in the U.S. Historically, people have been labeled black if they appeared black. Obama appears black. Therefore, at least historically speaking, Obama is black.
There are other differences, besides perceived racism, between a southern Democrat and a northern Democrat that would cause the numbers to look like they do. Think Huckabee vs McCain in the southern states on the Republican side.
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There was a guy on CNN (a black man, can't remember his name cause I saw him in the Phoenix airport back in late January) that said that there just isn't the white racism in the world that people think. I tend to believe him. Sure it still exists in certain areas...there are always racists about every race, but overall it's just not there like it used to be. Maybe it's due to P.C., maybe it's due to awareness...who knows. But white people are just not as racist as people think.
You do have to ask yourself why Obama is getting well over 90% of the black votes, but yet across the country, there is no real correlation of who the white people are voting for. If white people were THAT racist, then Hilary would be running away with most states.

ps- I could safely assume that a lot of people do not in fact know that he is part white, and do not in fact know his middle name is Hussien. Most of you guys in the DC area know this stuff well cause politics are shoved down your throat 24/7. The rest of the world is not as educated (as a whole) when it comes to politics.



I never said he wasn't "black enough". Just that he's not black. Just like Tiger Woods is not black.

Be very careful as to how you lump your assumptions because the "majority" of people believe it.
The majority of older Christians believe that evolution is not true.
The majority of the population used to believe the world was flat.
The majority of scientists believed the atom was the smallest thing in the world.

Kind of reminds me of the Lincoln quote:
"You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time."
The majority is not always right.
Geez. What is he if he ISN'T Black? Leopard print?

As soon as there's a bi-racial baby, everyone wants to try to tell them how they should identify themselves. If Obama wants to identify himself as a Black male, fine. Honestly the majority of bi-racial kids I knew lumped themselves into the Black category, which was fine. And those that didn't try to identify with a race.. that was fine as well.

I think people need to stop trying to say if you aren't 100% Black, then you aren't black or if you aren't 100% white, then you aren't white. That's why so many bi-racial kids always have such a hard time growing up.

My family tends to be staunch against "racial-mixing" and after this, I can see why. (Though I don't really give a damn and I'll continue to enjoy dating outside of my race )

It's kinda like that episode of Family Guy, where Stewie was conceived by Nate Griffin and Lois LauraBushCheneyPewterschmit and Stewie says something on the order of, "Since I'm half black and half white, now I'll be accepted by both races."

In the end, nobody's really going to accept you, racially. Especially when people aren't as colorblind as they think.
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Jsarno,

Our country has made great strides in race relations in the past 30 or so years. I think the overwhelming majority of whites are NOT racist. But, racism does exist. There are racist whites, racist blacks, racist Latinos, racist Asians, etc. African Americans overwhelmingly cast their votes for Obama. But, look at the voting demographics in any New England state and compare those stats to the voting demographics in Mississippi and Alabama and you will see a very clear difference in the white vote. In New England, the white vote was pretty much split between Barak and Hillary. In the deep South, the white vote was solidly behind Hillary. (Disclaimer: I obviously do not believe all, or even a majority, of white Southerners are racist.)
I agree with you there. Please note my quote:
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Sure it still exists in certain areas...there are always racists about every race
It actually surprises me Hilary is getting the votes she is throughout the bible belt. The old christians believe that "woman should stay silent in the church" and therefore translates that to life. There is a lot that would believe that a woman should not have power over a man, nevermind the most powerful job on the planet.
Anywho, your comments, I agree with.

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As for Obama being "black enough," I simply meant to say that you asserted that Obama was not black enough to qualify as truly black. If you believe that black means someone who is 100% African American, you will soon find that there are very few blacks in the U.S. Historically, people have been labeled black if they appeared black. Obama appears black. Therefore, at least historically speaking, Obama is black.
Thank you for clarification.
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Geez. What is he if he ISN'T Black? Leopard print?

As soon as there's a bi-racial baby, everyone wants to try to tell them how they should identify themselves. If Obama wants to identify himself as a Black male, fine. Honestly the majority of bi-racial kids I knew lumped themselves into the Black category, which was fine. And those that didn't try to identify with a race.. that was fine as well.

I think people need to stop trying to say if you aren't 100% Black, then you aren't black or if you aren't 100% white, then you aren't white. That's why so many bi-racial kids always have such a hard time growing up.

My family tends to be staunch against "racial-mixing" and after this, I can see why. (Though I don't really give a damn and I'll continue to enjoy dating outside of my race )

It's kinda like that episode of Family Guy, where Stewie was conceived by Nate Griffin and Lois LauraBushCheneyPewterschmit and Stewie says something on the order of, "Since I'm half black and half white, now I'll be accepted by both races."

In the end, nobody's really going to accept you, racially. Especially when people aren't as colorblind as they think.
Your comments beg the question...why do we as a society insist on labels? Why can't he just be Obama? Why label him as black? Why label him?
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