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Old 03-10-2008, 08:23 PM   #31
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Hard to feel sympathy for the guy given his history of preening self-righteousness. Still, as someone who never does the right thing ever I have to feel a little for one of my brothers in sin.
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Old 03-10-2008, 08:28 PM   #32
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Oh dear lord, the indignation expressed by some of you guys in this thread is laughable.
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I think a better question to ask, is who was the last (most recent) woman who got caught having an affair that ruined her image of an upstanding, righteous person? I'm pretty young so my knowledge is pretty limited.
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Old 03-10-2008, 09:38 PM   #34
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I just find it odd that everyone jumped on hess for her comments, but completely bypassed saden1's.
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I just find it odd that everyone jumped on hess for her comments, but completely bypassed saden1's.
I don't see whats wrong with his posts.

His first post pointed out that its not just men of power, its all men that run the risk of chasing ass.

And the second post pretty much just says that many people will do whatever they want, so long as they know that they can get away with it.

I don't see whats wrong with hess' posts either. I don't think people were pointing their finger at her, just so much as saying that 1) Its not always a power thing and 2) There are good guys out there.

It doesn't matter if you're powerful or not, I'm sure there are millionaires that cheat and that there are guys living in the local ghetto/trailer park that do. Just like there are millionaires and people in ghettos/trailer parks that won't. It's all dependent on the quality of the person.

Because when it comes down to it, I feel that 2 most popular reasons that people cheat is 1) to escape a current relationship or 2) Because they know/think they can get away with it
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My point is, his comments were more candid than her original comment, but no one addressed him. She was accused of male bashing, which I disagree with.
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My point is, his comments were more candid than her original comment, but no one addressed him. She was accused of male bashing, which I disagree with.
I think male bashing is a bit far-fetched. It seems to me like people had the biggest problem with her saying "men with power".

Around here, some woman (in a government position) not too long ago got caught RUNNING a prostitution ring. But no one outside of the DMV knows about it.
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I think male bashing is a bit far-fetched. It seems to me like people had the biggest problem with her saying "men with power".

Around here, some woman (in a government position) not too long ago got caught RUNNING a prostitution ring. But no one outside of the DMV knows about it.
Ok... and she used the words "are often corrupted", not "always". However, when you read the responses, you would have thought she said the latter. To say that it's just as likely for a woman with power to screw around as a man with power would, is disingenuous. Men are driven by sex far more than women. For every one woman of influence that has been caught in an indescretion, I could produce the names of fifty men.

Not that this conversation really matters to me one way or the other. My experience on this board is that we cannot have any meaningful discussions about male/female relationships, so I usually avoid them when they come up.

However, I've grown tired of the hypocrisy around here. Whenever a female member makes any type of negative comment about men in general on this board, in comes the swarm. How many threads or comments have you seen on this board that degrade, objectify or complain about women? On the other hand, how many threads or comments do we have, expressed by women, that do the same? Little to none. I also find it hypocritical on the part of some of our male members to cry male bashing when women are repeatedly referred to as ho's, bitches, sluts and chicken heads (my fav), when being described on this board, even when it's not warranted. I guess those are considered modern terms of endearment now.

With that said, it matters not to me whether the men here are truly cognizant of their offensive behavior. Generally, I stay out of conversations that offend me and I typically do not call out other members. But I've honestly had enough. What's good for the goose is definately not good for gander around here.
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Lady Brave I think more of it has to do with the reputation hessy carry about constantly making every issue into a male bashing one.
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Lady Brave I think more of it has to do with the reputation hessy carry about constantly making every issue into a male bashing one.
Well, I'm the type that feels we should debate the topic at hand. I'm not concerned about past opinions expressed. Take a person's comments for what they are at the present.
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Ok... and she used the words "are often corrupted", not "always". However, when you read the responses, you would have thought she said the latter. To say that it's just as likely for a woman with power to screw around as a man with power would, is disingenuous. Men are driven by sex far more than women. For every one woman of influence that has been caught in an indescretion, I could produce the names of fifty men.

Not that this conversation really matters to me one way or the other. My experience on this board is that we cannot have any meaningful discussions about male/female relationships, so I usually avoid them when they come up.

However, I've grown tired of the hypocrisy around here. Whenever a female member makes any type of negative comment about men in general on this board, in comes the swarm. How many threads or comments have you seen on this board that degrade, objectify or complain about women? On the other hand, how many threads or comments do we have, expressed by women, that do the same? Little to none. I also find it hypocritical on the part of some of our male members to cry male bashing when women are repeatedly referred to as ho's, bitches, sluts and chicken heads (my fav), when being described on this board, even when it's not warranted. I guess those are considered modern terms of endearment now.

With that said, it matters not to me whether the men here are truly cognizant of their offensive behavior. Generally, I stay out of conversations that offend me and I typically do not call out other members. But I've honestly had enough. What's good for the goose is definately not good for gander around here.
You make good points. But reactions to her comments don't necessarily need to be seen as man vs. woman. For example, I responded to her general generalizing (if that makes sense), nothing really deeper than that.

But it should be noted that, as hooskins says, your previous reputation does carry weight here. Fair or not, it does. Had you made those initial comments the reaction would have been much different. That it came from someone who just a few months ago swore to never return here and incorrectly believing people were conspiring against her triggered a different response from many here.
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Old 03-10-2008, 11:20 PM   #43
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Ok... and she used the words "are often corrupted", not "always". However, when you read the responses, you would have thought she said the latter. To say that it's just as likely for a woman with power to screw around as a man with power would, is disingenuous. Men are driven by sex far more than women. For every one woman of influence that has been caught in an indescretion, I could produce the names of fifty men.

Not that this conversation really matters to me one way or the other. My experience on this board is that we cannot have any meaningful discussions about male/female relationships, so I usually avoid them when they come up.

However, I've grown tired of the hypocrisy around here. Whenever a female member makes any type of negative comment about men in general on this board, in comes the swarm. How many threads or comments have you seen on this board that degrade, objectify or complain about women? On the other hand, how many threads or comments do we have, expressed by women, that do the same? Little to none. I also find it hypocritical on the part of some of our male members to cry male bashing when women are repeatedly referred to as ho's, bitches, sluts and chicken heads (my fav), when being described on this board, even when it's not warranted. I guess those are considered modern terms of endearment now.

With that said, it matters not to me whether the men here are truly cognizant of their offensive behavior. Generally, I stay out of conversations that offend me and I typically do not call out other members. But I've honestly had enough. What's good for the goose is definately not good for gander around here.
Maybe we can't have a conversation about male/female relationships in which we can vent on men because besides me, you (Lady Brave) and Hess, there really ARE no daily active women on here besides us. How are you going to complain about men TO a bunch a of men? I'm not saying the Hess' statements aren't correct, but I think it's kind of a pipe dream to say, "Men of power have the tendency to cheat" and then have the men not back up their own?

To me LB, the statement "Men are driven by sex far more than women" says that men are pretty much slave to their animal tendencies and thus cannot be expected to be monogamous. Which, while some are, most aren't. Everyone has the urge of instant gratification but like I said in a previous post, fighting that urge is dependent on the will of the individual. And that sexual urge is the same in males and females. Why do you think kids are getting pregnant younger and younger these days? They haven't developed that resistance yet.

As a woman, I throw around the term, "ho" and I call my female friends (those who I know don't care about the word) "bitch" and yes, it has become a term of endearment and though it probably shouldn't, that's just what it's come down to, because we as a people have become desensitized to the words.

But I have nothing against Hess' comments, after learning about feminism, I support it (some of it). I don't know Hess' background of "male-bashing" but of course when you're stating an opinion about males, to males, expect a little support and a lot of backlash.
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You make good points. But reactions to her comments don't necessarily need to be seen as man vs. woman. For example, I responded to her general generalizing (if that makes sense), nothing really deeper than that.
Yes it does, considering the majority of those who responded negatively were men. There were very few exceptions. No one has yet to explain why they didn't have a problem with saden1's comments.

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But it should be noted that, as hooskins says, your previous reputation does carry weight here. Fair or not, it does. Had you made those initial comments the reaction would have been much different. That it came from someone who just a few months ago swore to never return here and incorrectly believing people were conspiring against her triggered a different response from many here.
It's pretty easy to gain a good reputation when you rarely confront those who offend you. Perhaps I turn a blind eye too much.

I'm not concerned with hess' past at the moment and I'm not here to speak for her. I've just noticed an all to familiar pattern here and felt I should address it.
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I think this thread achieved a record for the fastest thread to go straight to hell.
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