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Old 03-12-2008, 03:53 PM   #121
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A woman is humiliated by husband in public manner and clearly in a difficult situation and the commentary from warpathers is (in short form) - she's hot, I'd hit on her, etc.

Perhaps, just perhaps, this is why some of our female members take issue w/ our analysis at times.

I'm just saying....
I'm not defending anyone by any means, and I certainly feel bad for his daughters, but I'm a touch less inclined to be sympathetic to his wife.

So many of these politician's wives stick beside their husband when he's outed for some pretty reprehensible stuff. I'm just a little suspicious that they didn't know what was going on all along and/or didn't turn a blind eye to it. I also wonder about the state of a marriage that has a guy dropping $4000 a month for 8 months on high-dollar prostitutes.

These women get power and influence too, as well as a lifestyle, through their husband's position. I also guarantee that a lot of these guys wouldn't have made it to where they are without their wives help and backing. In other words it's more of a political team than a marriage and each side has a lot to lose if they lose their position.

There's no way in hell any "typical" wife is going to stand beside her husband as he announces that he's spent thousands of dollars on hookers. Most normal women would be livid and out of there. I think these women have something to lose if their husband goes down in flames.

The real losers in all of this are the three daughters.
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Old 03-12-2008, 04:01 PM   #122
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Fair enough. I'm not saying that she is not in some way accountable for her own action or inaction. Rather, I am simply saying that treating her as a physical object - as opposed to debating whether or not she bears some responsibilty for her husband's actions - is perhaps central to assertions by some of the women who post on this site that there is a certain "locker room" mentality by the guys.
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I'm not defending anyone by any means, and I certainly feel bad for his daughters, but I'm a touch less inclined to be sympathetic to his wife.

So many of these politician's wives stick beside their husband when he's outed for some pretty reprehensible stuff. I'm just a little suspicious that they didn't know what was going on all along and/or didn't turn a blind eye to it. I also wonder about the state of a marriage that has a guy dropping $4000 a month for 8 months on high-dollar prostitutes.

These women get power and influence too, as well as a lifestyle, through their husband's position. I also guarantee that a lot of these guys wouldn't have made it to where they are without their wives help and backing. In other words it's more of a political team than a marriage and each side has a lot to lose if they lose their position.

There's no way in hell any "typical" wife is going to stand beside her husband as he announces that he's spent thousands of dollars on hookers. Most normal women would be livid and out of there. I think these women have something to lose if their husband goes down in flames.

The real losers in all of this are the three daughters.
...and I think herein lies the dichotomy. On the one people want to feel angered and on the other hand they want to feel compassionate.
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Fair enough. I'm not saying that she is not in some way accountable for her own action or inaction. Rather, I am simply saying that treating her as a physical object - as opposed to debating whether or not she bears some responsibilty for her husband's actions - is perhaps central to assertions by some of the women who post on this site that there is a certain "locker room" mentality by the guys.
I agree with you there completely.
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Come on, the dude is not that ugly. You make him sound like he's frighteningly hideous.

If he showed up on the set of the original Star Wars movie, George Lucas would have sent him straight to the Creature Cantina without makeup.
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Absolutely, because I don't think this "crime" is a big deal, like I didn't think Craig's "crime" was a big deal, like I didn't think McGreevey's affair was a crime. These are all morality issues. Its a case of a "righteous" few imposing their beliefs on others.(see prohibition) You assumed I thought this wasn't a big deal because of his party, but I wasn't even sure of the guy's party when I had all ready made up my mind that the media reaction would outweigh the "crime".

If some senator from a flyover state that I never heard of got caught with a small amount of pot, I wouldn't think much of it. I would make that decision without having to find out the senator's party affiliation. I am sure the media would do non stop coverage of it and the other party would call for the guy's head, but I wouldn't think it was a big deal.

If Spitzer had killed a guy, stole money from the government, or ran a dog fighting operation, I would say he should get every bit the punishment that anyone else would get. More in fact so that others would learn.

Had this been you or me chances are no one would have ever found out, this is a minor crime at most. Moreover law enforcement generally goes after the supply side of this "crime", much like drug enforcement.
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The point is we don't get to decide which laws should be obeyed or enforced. It's not cafeteria style.
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But again sex is not illegal. Clinton's blow job may have offended you, but the majority of this country saw it as nothing more than a political based attack.(thus his 90% plus approval rating)

And you can try to twist my words on what I said about morality, but I stand by the fact that the GOP plays the morality card to appeal to the Christan conservatives, but usually these "morals" are more about fear and hate. Bush basically won in 2004 on the "issue" of gay marriage.
It was the Massachussets Supreme Court that made homosexual marriage an issue, not George Bush and not Christians. To the extent they were overzealous, well, that's their problem. It is the political left that seeks to change the status quo and so they are equally guilty of pushing a "morality" on others. All laws represent someone's conception of morality. The idea that you can't or shouldn't "legislate morality" is nonsense. You can't legislate anything else.
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It was the Massachussets Supreme Court that made homosexual marriage an issue, not George Bush and not Christians. To the extent they were overzealous, well, that's their problem. It is the political left that seeks to change the status quo and so they are equally guilty of pushing a "morality" on others. All laws represent someone's conception of morality. The idea that you can't or shouldn't "legislate morality" is nonsense. You can't legislate anything else.
Actually, the Republican-led Congress made gay marriage a big, national issue when it passed the Defense of Marriage Act in 1996. The MA Supreme Court didn't issue it's ruling until 2004.

I agree that nearly all law is based on society's morals. But, IMO, the modern day right is pretty well known for pushing certain values (i.e., Christian values) to the exclusion of others. In that regard, the right has lost its way and has strayed too far from its "small government" roots.
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Actually, the Republican-led Congress made gay marriage a big, national issue when it passed the Defense of Marriage Act in 1996. The MA Supreme Court didn't issue it's ruling until 2004.

I agree that nearly all law is based on society's morals. But, IMO, the modern day right is pretty well known for pushing certain values (i.e., Christian values) to the exclusion of others. In that regard, the right has lost its way and has strayed too far from its "small government" roots.
There is certainly a lot the Republican party needs to improve on, and hopefully-should he get elected-McCain will return some to the "government is not the solution, government is the problem" mantra.

The fact that many Republicans don't seem to care for McCain is, I think, actually a positive sign for the GOP.

Still, to imply that all Republicans (myself included) are extreme right wing, homophobic, xenophobic, minority bashing amoral gun nuts-as some here seem to do-is rather ignorant.
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A woman is humiliated by husband in public manner and clearly in a difficult situation and the commentary from warpathers is (in short form) - she's hot, I'd hit on her, etc.

Perhaps, just perhaps, this is why some of our female members take issue w/ our analysis at times.

I'm just saying....
have we, as a society, become that sensitive, that we cant joke at each other? this sounds like a quote from a media source. Joe, you working for Fox news? and someone else said they really don't feel bad for his wife. she is about a big a victim, as anyone else involved. i don't get the hostility towards her. maybe she is already suffering from the Hilliary complex. people hating on her for trying to save her marriage
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There is certainly a lot the Republican party needs to improve on, and hopefully-should he get elected-McCain will return some to the "government is not the solution, government is the problem" mantra.

The fact that many Republicans don't seem to care for McCain is, I think, actually a positive sign for the GOP.

Still, to imply that all Republicans (myself included) are extreme right wing, homophobic, xenophobic, minority bashing amoral gun nuts-as some here seem to do-is rather ignorant.
We're not?? Damn, now what do I do with my petition to stop any and all minorities, homosexuals, and foreigners from practicing un-american activities by permitting christians the right to shoot them on sight??
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Part of his job is to make sure laws are inforced. So he losses his job for not doing his job.
Bullshite he loses his job because it made headlines and half the political system hates the other half. If this guy was me or you, or even someone famous but not political everything is okay and forgotten.
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Bullshite he loses his job because it made headlines and half the political system hates the other half. If this guy was me or you, or even someone famous but not political everything is okay and forgotten.
I don't know where you work but I want to work there:

Hijinx: Hey boss, I committed adultery for the last decade or so by soliciting sex from prostitutes and in the process violated banking regulations, not to mention abused special priviliges my job status has given me.

Boss: That's cool. I don't hate.
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Old 03-12-2008, 06:52 PM   #134
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Okay this is my last post on this thread there are to many dense people who will turn it anyway they want.

1)I never said what he did was not a crime, despite that fact some dim bulbs in here think I did.

2) This is a misdemeanors crime at most. Any federal charges would be a stretch at best. The money laundering would be hard to prove seeing how he wasn't owner of the accounts the money moved to. I can't see a jury conviction on this one. The moving women across state lines thing is a law meant to stop "white" slavery. And has major jail time with it. Can anyone really say the guy deserves 10-12 years for this? Maybe if he killed one of the girls.

3) My original point remains true. This will be blown up and made into a greater deal then it was, because of party politics and media attention.

4)This is one of those "crimes" that doesn't affect anyone else except Spitzer, the hooker, and his family.(but not much more than if he just cheated)

5)Most of this victimless "crime", (ie. prostitution, most drug use, gambling, etc) are only crimes because someone is imposing their morals on someone else. (see prohibition, that worked well, as is the "war on drugs"

6) The fact this guy was a dem, doesn't matter to me I didn't think Larry Craig deserved to lose his job either. But leave to some, who wanted to turn everything I say into ,"your just mad because he is a dem" and make personal insults at me.
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I don't know where you work but I want to work there:

Hijinx: Hey boss, I committed adultery for the last decade or so by soliciting sex from prostitutes and in the process violated banking regulations, not to mention abused special priviliges my job status has given me.

Boss: That's cool. I don't hate.
Hijinx: Oh, and by the way did I mention actually assisted the planning for and actually funded the transportation of prostitutes across State lines?

Boss: Sweet. Does that mean you can import me some hot Cali ass?
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