Hard to run in Madden '05?

Mattyk · 08-16-2004, 12:23 AM

Anyone else notice this?

I've had a couple of big games with Portis, but only because I ripped off a long run to pad my stats. I've also had my share of 20-25 carries, 70-90 yards type games. The lineman really get off their blocks quick, I've been stuffed in the backfield more times than I can remember. And the LB's are very quick to the hole.

Don't get me wrong I'm not complaining, I like the challenge. Just wondering how it's been for you guys running the ball. Any plays or formations working especially well for you?

I used to also kill the D with swing passes to the RB, but now the LB's are all over that stuff!

SeasonTicketHolder · 08-16-2004, 11:24 AM

Yeah, it definitely has been harder to run the ball. Although I noticed something kind of cool. I played the bucs, and I had trouble running the ball. Then I played the Giants, and averaged about 7 or 8 yards a carry. It was cool to see the difference in defenses. I've found that its usually a lot easier to run it up the gut. Also, counters work pretty well.

Redskins_P · 08-16-2004, 11:43 AM

Yeah I noticed that also. I remember in 04 Portis would always break a couple of tackles before going down. I did have a 200 yard game with Portis in Madden 05, but it was against the Browns and on All pro. Maybe I should move up to All madden.

d151b · 08-17-2004, 05:21 PM

it's just different than last year, not harder. I've had a couple 300 yard games with portis, just rushing. try the i formation, two tight ends lined up on one side and use the counter play. if the D loads up on the side that you're running, just use the playmaker mode and go the other way, works 95% of the time for a big gain.

Mattyk · 08-17-2004, 05:51 PM

300 yard game?

what level are you playing on?

dieselhog · 08-19-2004, 11:56 AM

a whole different one!

Mattyk · 08-19-2004, 12:03 PM

I've done some tweaking with the AI and running has been a little easier.

Still, it seems when you go up against a tough run D, they play you tough while in past Maddens you could run on just about anybody at will.

Carnage · 08-19-2004, 01:06 PM

I definatly miss the "jump" feature, which helped me evade tackles from behind. Triangle now protects the ball. Also, i find it very difficult to spin effectively.

Mattyk · 08-19-2004, 03:24 PM

I also miss the jump, I can't stop from hitting it though. Well at least I'm protecting the ball, LOL.

I thought the spin button was getting out of control, you used to be able to cut on a dime, it was almost not fair. This year it's definitely not as effective.

Kevikazi · 08-20-2004, 07:47 PM

It is harder because for 2005, they tweaked the AI to better defend against outside run and counter plays. I think it's a LOT harder to get a decent pass game going this year than any other year. Please share if you guys have some "go-to" plays. I've had some luck using Weak-I Twin WR (Cross Under). If I see man coverage, I would move Portis out to the flanker and hot-route him to a streak pattern and throw deep. If I see them in a zone, I would wing the ball to Coles for a quick 10+ yd gain.

aehs77 · 08-20-2004, 08:01 PM

you have to spin muh earlier this year

BleedBurgundy · 08-22-2004, 11:05 PM

All in all, I've noticed you need to kind of anticipate the defenders moves this year, doing spins and jukes way earlier. I didn't mind the jump becoming automatic as I never used the damn thing anyway. I play on All-Madden and I average about 175 yds a game rushing.

crlesh · 09-27-2004, 12:59 PM

I created a new tailback, named after me. He's 6'4" and weighs 260 pounds wih a mullett hanging out of his helmet and tatooed biceps. He's a monster and he's averaging me 150 yards a game with 3 TDs. I hold down 'speed burst' every time he gets the ball until the play is over. I use Portis on punt returns. I (my created namesake) was the Horse Trailer Player for tonights game!

That Guy · 09-27-2004, 01:42 PM

on all madden i can rip 250 a game with only sprint and spin... same thing i use to rack up insane numbers on the running drill.

Winskins · 09-29-2004, 02:26 AM

250 ypg? How long are your quarters?

Anyway, using motion is really pretty effective when you can see that certain people will be breaking earlier on the ball (for example a linebacker blitz). The holes will open in different ways and I find that when you have a speedy running back like Portis that motioning the Fullback to the Tight End position is pretty effective and it allows the running back to hit the hole much faster, w/o having to wait for holes to open up as much.
The counter play is still my best one. I really like it because every once in a while it will spring you for that super long gain because the safeties get out of position and a super fast running back can exploit that and break to the end zone.

08-16-2004, 12:23 AM	#1
Mattyk ‎\m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 40 Posts: 72,674	Hard to run in Madden '05? Anyone else notice this? I've had a couple of big games with Portis, but only because I ripped off a long run to pad my stats. I've also had my share of 20-25 carries, 70-90 yards type games. The lineman really get off their blocks quick, I've been stuffed in the backfield more times than I can remember. And the LB's are very quick to the hole. Don't get me wrong I'm not complaining, I like the challenge. Just wondering how it's been for you guys running the ball. Any plays or formations working especially well for you? I used to also kill the D with swing passes to the RB, but now the LB's are all over that stuff! __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

08-16-2004, 11:24 AM	#2
SeasonTicketHolder Impact Rookie Join Date: May 2004 Location: Maryland Age: 26 Posts: 549	Yeah, it definitely has been harder to run the ball. Although I noticed something kind of cool. I played the bucs, and I had trouble running the ball. Then I played the Giants, and averaged about 7 or 8 yards a carry. It was cool to see the difference in defenses. I've found that its usually a lot easier to run it up the gut. Also, counters work pretty well. __________________ Gonzaga College High School '04 Loyola College '08

08-17-2004, 05:51 PM	#5
Mattyk ‎\m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 40 Posts: 72,674	300 yard game? what level are you playing on? __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

08-19-2004, 12:03 PM	#7
Mattyk ‎\m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 40 Posts: 72,674	I've done some tweaking with the AI and running has been a little easier. Still, it seems when you go up against a tough run D, they play you tough while in past Maddens you could run on just about anybody at will. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

08-19-2004, 03:24 PM	#9
Mattyk ‎\m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 40 Posts: 72,674	I also miss the jump, I can't stop from hitting it though. Well at least I'm protecting the ball, LOL. I thought the spin button was getting out of control, you used to be able to cut on a dime, it was almost not fair. This year it's definitely not as effective. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

08-16-2004, 11:43 AM	#3
Redskins_P Fight for old DC! Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Sterling, VA Age: 34 Posts: 4,065	Yeah I noticed that also. I remember in 04 Portis would always break a couple of tackles before going down. I did have a 200 yard game with Portis in Madden 05, but it was against the Browns and on All pro. Maybe I should move up to All madden.

08-17-2004, 05:21 PM	#4
d151b Special Teams Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 157	it's just different than last year, not harder. I've had a couple 300 yard games with portis, just rushing. try the i formation, two tight ends lined up on one side and use the counter play. if the D loads up on the side that you're running, just use the playmaker mode and go the other way, works 95% of the time for a big gain.

08-19-2004, 11:56 AM	#6
dieselhog Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Bolton, Lancashire Age: 41 Posts: 166	a whole different one!

08-19-2004, 01:06 PM	#8
Carnage Special Teams Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 464	I definatly miss the "jump" feature, which helped me evade tackles from behind. Triangle now protects the ball. Also, i find it very difficult to spin effectively.

08-20-2004, 07:47 PM	#10
Kevikazi Special Teams Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Maryland Age: 43 Posts: 186	It is harder because for 2005, they tweaked the AI to better defend against outside run and counter plays. I think it's a LOT harder to get a decent pass game going this year than any other year. Please share if you guys have some "go-to" plays. I've had some luck using Weak-I Twin WR (Cross Under). If I see man coverage, I would move Portis out to the flanker and hot-route him to a streak pattern and throw deep. If I see them in a zone, I would wing the ball to Coles for a quick 10+ yd gain.

08-20-2004, 08:01 PM	#11
aehs77 Special Teams Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: silver spring Age: 28 Posts: 486	you have to spin muh earlier this year

08-22-2004, 11:05 PM	#12
BleedBurgundy Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 4,434	All in all, I've noticed you need to kind of anticipate the defenders moves this year, doing spins and jukes way earlier. I didn't mind the jump becoming automatic as I never used the damn thing anyway. I play on All-Madden and I average about 175 yds a game rushing.

09-27-2004, 12:59 PM	#13
crlesh Special Teams Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Boston, MA Age: 37 Posts: 142	I created a new tailback, named after me. He's 6'4" and weighs 260 pounds wih a mullett hanging out of his helmet and tatooed biceps. He's a monster and he's averaging me 150 yards a game with 3 TDs. I hold down 'speed burst' every time he gets the ball until the play is over. I use Portis on punt returns. I (my created namesake) was the Horse Trailer Player for tonights game!

09-27-2004, 01:42 PM	#14
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Springfield, VA Age: 30 Posts: 15,621	on all madden i can rip 250 a game with only sprint and spin... same thing i use to rack up insane numbers on the running drill. __________________ Who says shameless self promotion is stupid? oh yeah, that was me... Click For Tunes!

09-29-2004, 02:26 AM	#15
Winskins Special Teams Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Wheaton, MD Age: 29 Posts: 282	250 ypg? How long are your quarters? Anyway, using motion is really pretty effective when you can see that certain people will be breaking earlier on the ball (for example a linebacker blitz). The holes will open in different ways and I find that when you have a speedy running back like Portis that motioning the Fullback to the Tight End position is pretty effective and it allows the running back to hit the hole much faster, w/o having to wait for holes to open up as much. The counter play is still my best one. I really like it because every once in a while it will spring you for that super long gain because the safeties get out of position and a super fast running back can exploit that and break to the end zone. __________________ The Skins will make the Cowboys their woman...and they're gonna enjoy it!

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