GW Bush booed at Nationals' opener

Mattyk · 04-02-2008, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by 12thMan

No booing in and of itself isn't mean and nasty. Shit, I love to boo...the other team not the President of the United States. But yeah, publicly booing the Prez is a tad bit mean.

Why is that any worse than booing someone like Joe Gibbs?

Gibbs runs a football team, W runs the country. If anyone deserves to be under heavy scrutiny I would say it's the President. I just don't get why he should get a free pass.

724Skinsfan · 04-02-2008, 09:54 AM

It's being able to boo the President and not get guillotined that makes living in this country a wonderful thing. I don't see it as a big deal to show your collective disapproval for the person running the show. Shouting obcene personal insults and death threats are obviously a different matter.

KLHJ2 · 04-02-2008, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by 12thMan

I don't think so, Angryssg; I disagree.

I think we agree more on what's considered to be courteous than not. To an extent I think you're right, but when you throw the word "common" in there, I think we're talking about what's generally and widely accepted as courteous.

For instance, even here, the Mods won't let people say what the want to other members all in the name of free speech, will they? Why is that?

Do you always take the grocery cart back to the store or at least put it in the cart stall once you have finished putting your goods in your car? Better yet, do you put stray ones away? Do you pick up a piece of trash that you see lying in the middle of the street or sidewalk, or do you just ignore it because you didn't put it there.

To me it is common sense and common courtesy to do these things, but others may not think so.

12thMan · 04-02-2008, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Why is that any worse than booing someone like Joe Gibbs?

Gibbs runs a football team, W runs the country. If anyone deserves to be under heavy scrutiny I would say it's the President. I just don't get why he should get a free pass.

Matty, you're killing me! LOL

Man, like I said I'm not trying to split hairs. People can do what they want to do. Part of my dislike for the whole thing is I used to be in the military; first Gulf War. So I think part of it, with me at least, stems from the ingrained mentallity to respect the chain a command. But that's just me and my military experience. I can't hold folks to that type of standard nor do I intend to.

As far as Gibbs is concerned, in the arena of competative sports, booing and cheering takes on a different context. I think the environment itself produces that element.

Hog1 · 04-02-2008, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by 12thMan

Matty, you're killing me! LOL

As far as Gibbs is concerned, in the arena of competative sports, booing and cheering takes on a different context. I think the environment itself produces that element.

Good point!
The sports arena is incomparable to that of the Presidency

Mattyk · 04-02-2008, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by 12thMan

Matty, you're killing me! LOL

Man, like I said I'm not trying to split hairs. People can do what they want to do. Part of my dislike for the whole thing is I used to be in the military; first Gulf War. So I think part of it, with me at least, stems from the ingrained mentallity to respect the chain a command. But that's just me and my military experience. I can't hold folks to that type of standard nor do I intend to.

As far as Gibbs is concerned, in the arena of competative sports, booing and cheering takes on a different context. I think the environment itself produces that element.

I do understand where you're coming from, but I just don't think that sports is the only arena where it's appropriate to boo or cheer someone.

12thMan · 04-02-2008, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by angryssg

Do you always take the grocery cart back to the store or at least put it in the cart stall once you have finished putting your goods in your car? Better yet, do you put stray ones away? Do you pick up a piece of trash that you see lying in the middle of the street or sidewalk, or do you just ignore it because you didn't put it there.

To me it is common sense and common courtesy to do these things, but others may not think so.

Ummm....maybe. But now we're talking about grocery carts and trash, not human beings.

Listen, I'm not trying to hold myself as the standard bearer of ethics and all of that, but I just think a line was crossed. No biggie.

KLHJ2 · 04-02-2008, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by 12thMan

Ummm....maybe. But now we're talking about grocery carts and trash, not human beings.

Listen, I'm not trying to hold myself as the standard bearer of ethics and all of that, but I just think a line was crossed. No biggie.

So do I, believe me. There are those however, other than us, who do not see it the same way that we do.

redsk1 · 04-02-2008, 10:23 AM

I don't think any of us are saying you can't boo. It is a free country. I'm saying as an american i think shows disrespect to the position that he....or she holds.

12thMan · 04-02-2008, 10:24 AM

I'll try to make this the last thing I'll say on this. Good topic, by the way.

I think when you get people in that environment, they feel embolden to do and say things they would never other say or do. Throw a little tapped beer in there and it's on.

Sometimes I do wonder, however, if those same people that boo public figures would have a totally different demeanor if they just bumped into them on the street somewhere. I wonder if they'd say, "hey George Bush is an asshole" or go "hey Mr. President, mind taking a picture with me?"

KLHJ2 · 04-02-2008, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by 12thMan

I'll try to make this the last thing I'll say on this. Good topic, by the way.

I think when you get people in that environment, they feel embolden to do and say things they would never other say or do. Throw a little tapped beer in there and it's on.

Sometimes I do wonder, however, if those same people that boo public figures would have a totally different demeanor if they just bumped into them on the street somewhere. I wonder if they'd say, "hey George Bush is an asshole" or go "hey Mr. President, mind taking a picture with me?"

Probably the latter of the 2 because they don't want to get tazed.

Mattyk · 04-02-2008, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by 12thMan

I'll try to make this the last thing I'll say on this. Good topic, by the way.

I think when you get people in that environment, they feel embolden to do and say things they would never other say or do. Throw a little tapped beer in there and it's on.

Sometimes I do wonder, however, if those same people that boo public figures would have a totally different demeanor if they just bumped into them on the street somewhere. I wonder if they'd say, "hey George Bush is an asshole" or go "hey Mr. President, mind taking a picture with me?"

Personally, there's no way I'd want to take a picture with that prick. And I wouldn't pretend to be his best friend either. I wouldn't even want to shake the guy's hand to be honest.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 04-02-2008, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Why is that any worse than booing someone like Joe Gibbs?

Gibbs runs a football team, W runs the country. If anyone deserves to be under heavy scrutiny I would say it's the President. I just don't get why he should get a free pass.

I wasn't down with booing Gibbs, in fact it made my blood boil to hear the boo birds at FedEx. I felt like the fans were pissing on Gibbs, the players and the franchise.

Similarly, I don't care for the people who booed Bush at the Nats game. I have SERIOUS issues with Bush, but I don't think it's right to boo our President at an apolitical event. I feel like it's almost akin to peeing on our flag. That said, I can't wait for the guy to leave office.

Mattyk · 04-02-2008, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

I wasn't down with booing Gibbs, in fact it made my blood boil to hear the boo birds at FedEx. I felt like the fans were pissing on Gibbs, the players and the franchise.

Similarly, I don't care for the people who booed Bush at the Nats game. I have SERIOUS issues with Bush, but I don't think it's right to boo our President at an apolitical event. I feel like it's almost akin to peeing on our flag. That said, I can't wait for the guy to leave office.

Cheers to that, though it might not matter much if McCain gets elected.

BleedBurgundy · 04-02-2008, 10:56 AM

People don't understand that when you boo the President of the United States of America, you're not just booing GWB, you're booing everything that that office stands for. It's unacceptable but not unexpected from our rapidly degrading society.

04-02-2008, 09:54 AM	#17
724Skinsfan Playmaker Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Roanoke, VA Posts: 3,468	Re: GW Bush booed at Nationals' opener It's being able to boo the President and not get guillotined that makes living in this country a wonderful thing. I don't see it as a big deal to show your collective disapproval for the person running the show. Shouting obcene personal insults and death threats are obviously a different matter. __________________ "I hope I'm getting better. I hope you haven't seen my best." - Jim Zorn

04-02-2008, 10:23 AM	#24
redsk1 The Starter Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,351	Re: GW Bush booed at Nationals' opener I don't think any of us are saying you can't boo. It is a free country. I'm saying as an american i think shows disrespect to the position that he....or she holds.

04-02-2008, 10:24 AM	#25
12thMan MVP Join Date: May 2005 Location: washington, D.C. Posts: 11,363	Re: GW Bush booed at Nationals' opener I'll try to make this the last thing I'll say on this. Good topic, by the way. I think when you get people in that environment, they feel embolden to do and say things they would never other say or do. Throw a little tapped beer in there and it's on. Sometimes I do wonder, however, if those same people that boo public figures would have a totally different demeanor if they just bumped into them on the street somewhere. I wonder if they'd say, "hey George Bush is an asshole" or go "hey Mr. President, mind taking a picture with me?"

04-02-2008, 10:56 AM	#30
BleedBurgundy Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 4,433	Re: GW Bush booed at Nationals' opener People don't understand that when you boo the President of the United States of America, you're not just booing GWB, you're booing everything that that office stands for. It's unacceptable but not unexpected from our rapidly degrading society. __________________ "All natural institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian, or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit." Thomas Paine

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