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Old 04-16-2008, 11:05 AM   #61
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Would you say all restaurants in general have no place in the schools?
Yeah, because I think the school cafeteria needs to be in charge of all food distribution to the kids. The school cafeteria workers work for the school district, and thus ultimately answer to the superintendant and school board, which ultimately answers to the township residents.

If you outsource food distribution to a restaurant then you can lose control over what gets served, depending on the nature of the contract entered into by the school district and the restaurant.

I'd like to see the school cafeteria completely in charge, and serving plenty of healthy options. Luckily that's currently the case in my school district.
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Old 04-16-2008, 11:10 AM   #62
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I was one of the few Americans that watched Shaq's Big Challenge on TV last year. Tyler Florence (celeb chef) came in and took over a school cafeteria for a few weeks. He had to keep his budget under $1 per plate and still serve a healthy meal. At first he got carried away, putting way too much time into prepping it (he was trying to hand wrap like 250 chicken caesar salad wraps in 20 minutes). But eventually he came up with a number of efficient and simple solutions that were pretty healthy, and actually looked pretty darn good. Healthy food in schools can be done, it doesn't have to be cheeseburgers or fried chicken patties all the time.
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Yeah, because I think the school cafeteria needs to be in charge of all food distribution to the kids. The school cafeteria workers work for the school district, and thus ultimately answer to the superintendant and school board, which ultimately answers to the township residents.

If you outsource food distribution to a restaurant then you can lose control over what gets served, depending on the nature of the contract entered into by the school district and the restaurant.

I'd like to see the school cafeteria completely in charge, and serving plenty of healthy options. Luckily that's currently the case in my school district.
Just curious because a lot of people have no problem getting rid of the McDonalds and Burger Kings, but if they were to offer "home made" options for burgers and pizza, no one would have a problem.

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Old 04-16-2008, 11:36 AM   #64
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Just curious because a lot of people have no problem getting rid of the McDonalds and Burger Kings, but if they were to offer "home made" options for burgers and pizza, no one would have a problem.

Making sure you're giving corporate America it's due.
Yeah those people would be silly. Pizza is pizza, burgers are burgers. It's unhealthy no matter how you cut it.

It's all about who I have the ability to yell at if they don't do what I want.

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Funny but true. If my school cafeteria served nothing but pizza and cheeseburgers, I could complain to the school board and if I got my community riled up enough, the school board would want to shut us up and they could easily direct the cafeteria to make the change. But if it's Pizza Hut serving the pizza, it's a hell of a lot harder to go yell at my school board to convince them to break the relationship with Pizza Hut (may be financial ramifications of breaking contract, the school would need to plan for alternative food providers, etc.).
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Yeah those people would be silly. Pizza is pizza, burgers are burgers. It's unhealthy no matter how you cut it.

It's all about who I have the ability to yell at if they don't do what I want.

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Funny but true. If my school cafeteria served nothing but pizza and cheeseburgers, I could complain to the school board and if I got my community riled up enough, the school board would want to shut us up and they could easily direct the cafeteria to make the change. But if it's Pizza Hut serving the pizza, it's a hell of a lot harder to go yell at my school board to convince them to break the relationship with Pizza Hut (may be financial ramifications of breaking contract, the school would need to plan for alternative food providers, etc.).
That is not true. My mom makes very healthy pizza. The sauce is made from scratch with very little salt and garlic as a substitute. Dough is made as well, with limited salt and oils. The the cheese used is fresh, and very limited. Only toppings are veggies and lean grilled chicken. Of course a salad is better, but it is pretty damn healthy pizza.
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yeah I make a pizza on the grill with whole wheat crust, olive oil, scarcely scattered goat and feta cheeses, fresh tomatoes, baby spinach, pine nuts, garlic, and mushrooms. It's really good and not bad for you at all.

not saying that the school could justifiably do that, but there are ideas out there.
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not saying that the school could justifiably do that, but there are ideas out there.
Yeah that's my thing.

Hoo, that pizza sounds good, please tell your mom to invite me over... again. (ZING!)

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But seriously, schools aren't going to do that. But if they do, that pizza would pass the test. One thing's for sure though... Pizza Hut will NOT do that!
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I think it must have been discussed here but I missed it, but has the topic of a "fat tax" been brought up here?
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on fat food or people?
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I think it must have been discussed here but I missed it, but has the topic of a "fat tax" been brought up here?
Whole thread on it:
http://www.redskinswarpath.com/parki...g-brother.html

As for this thread, I do not think the government should have the right to intrude upon anyone's privacy b/c they have fat children.

My concern is that to create a situation where having an obese child is prima facia evidence of criminal behavior would seem to me to give the government probable cause to search and seize anything relating to the child's obesity. IMO,the causes of childhood obesity are far too wide-ranging to create the legal assumption that a fat child equals abusive parenting.

I think there are sufficient laws on the books to punish those who are abusive to children both directly and indirectly. While childhood obesity is a problem that costs us millions of dollars in unseen expenses, they are costs I am willing to pay to keep the cops and DSS out of my house just b/c junior is on a Whopper binge.
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I like the idea of a fat tax, in concept. If you eat more fast food, you're more likely to need medical care, and you're most likely to need it when you're 65 and on Medicare (heart trouble), which the government pays for with our tax dollars. So if you're more likely to make use of the government's healthcare plan, you should be paying more to the government.

But now that food prices are skyrocketing, it's impractical to impose that tax. With food prices going up, people without means are going to work even harder to keep their food costs down, and rely even more on McDonald's and such. Taxing them on top of it would probably break the camel's back.
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That whole last page of discussion sums up exactly why my children take their own lunch to school. They buy occasionally but they pretty much "brown bag it" every day. The irony is that my children are the ones who told me that they would rather pack a lunch than buy that junk. In my day we loved it when we could get pizza and burgers in school. This newer generation is obviously learning from our mistakes. Tear.
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I like the idea of a fat tax, in concept. If you eat more fast food, you're more likely to need medical care, and you're most likely to need it when you're 65 and on Medicare (heart trouble), which the government pays for with our tax dollars. So if you're more likely to make use of the government's healthcare plan, you should be paying more to the government.
I don't know whether those who live unhealthy lives actually end up costing taxpayers more than those who live healthy lives. The people who exercise, eat right and who don't drink or smoke are likely to live longer lives than those who do not and, therefore, put a bigger strain on our Social Security Systems. Moreover, it might be less costly for someone to suffer mild health problems and die of a Big Mac-induced heart attack at 60, than live to be 95 and encounter many of the ailments that tend to affect the elderly.

I'd like to see some independent studies conducted into these kinds of economic issues. I read one a few years back that indicated that smokers actually SAVE taxpayers money by dying young. I have no problem with the government taxing goods that are costly to taxpayers. I have a serious problem with the government taxing goods that are unpopular and unhealthy (e.g., cigs) but end up saving taxpayers money. Why the hell should the government encourage me to live a certain life (e.g., by taxing and not taxing goods) if the net impact of my lifetsyle doesn't adversely affect society?
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There has been talk of a "fat tax" in this thread. New Jersey lawmakers are considering something similar, with proceeds of the tax possibly benefiting hospitals. They're calling it a "sin" tax.

wcbstv.com - New Jersey Lawmakers Consider Tax On Fast Food
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Proposed new fast food moratorium in LA

This is interesting, in terms of affecting low-income districts specifically.
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