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Old 06-02-2008, 10:45 PM   #31
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Glad she's ok. Does she act any differently now since the incident?

Sadie has a few issues (timid around men, hates thunderstorms), but she's a very good dog. She's really laid back and quiet most of the time. She only gets excited when we come home. I was so worried I would end up with a chronic howler.

One thing I've noticed is that she is starting to shy away when we have several people around or the neighbors bring their dogs over. She loves the neighbors dogs and she'll be fine for awhile, then I'll find her off in a corner of the yard somewhere by herself. I just find that odd since beagles are bred to be part of a hunting pack and really don't enjoy being by themselves. She's like our little wallflower now. I'm just wondering if she would do better if we got another dog.
She's doing just fine now. She def had a change in personality. A little more settled but not any more timid with her playing withe dogs strangely enough. The next few days after the incident she was pretty knocked on her ass but she'd sit outside and just stare off into pace contemplating life i think. She's a good looking sog and has turned out to have pretty good personality. Sh'es a winner.

I think most dogs do better with other dogs. They are pack animals and most tend to settle when another dog comes in. We have three and our middle dog, aka: "the strangler" was damn straight crazy wound tight before we got the puppy. Ever since though she has matured a good bit and become much more settled and a bit motherly. The oldest bog is just a old biddie who'd be one of those widowed 80 year olds bitching and moaning about everything if she were human. Every now and then she gets a kick in her step and will roll with the younger crew though. Then she'll take a nap. It is good for her though.
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Old 06-03-2008, 06:16 AM   #32
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I agree with all that, but..............I WILL NEVER read another post by JoeR, that even COULD BE on an emotional level!!! It took me 20 minutes to stop crying long enough to respond. What next, a story from your childhood, fearturing Ol' Yeller??????
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Old 06-03-2008, 09:49 AM   #33
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Vets suck! Ive had my dog SWOL for almost 8 years now. For the past 5 he has had allergies that cause this nasty mucus to cover his eyes. The vets (several different ones) cant seem to figure anything out after thousands of dollars of tests. So I pay $80 a month for a 3.5g tube of ointment. REALLY $80 for a tube of antiboitic eye ointment, WTF!. and it really doesnt even help that much, i usually get a better reaction from him when i flush his eyes with the over the counter stuff from CVS for $5. F vets! if the answer isnt staring them in the face, then they have no clue.
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Old 06-03-2008, 09:55 AM   #34
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Stacks agreeded. They are great at figuring out broken legs.

"yup, I think it is broken, $1k please"
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Old 06-03-2008, 09:59 AM   #35
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I don't think that most vets are out to gouge everyone. Hell it's tough enough to properly diagnose people sometimes and we can at least communicate what's wrong with us.
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Old 06-03-2008, 10:24 AM   #36
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I don't think that most vets are out to gouge everyone. Hell it's tough enough to properly diagnose people sometimes and we can at least communicate what's wrong with us.

I think you have a very optimistic view, I think that vets are on par with auto mechanics. Every once in a while you can find a good honest one, but mostly its people who are there to gouge you, and sell you crap you dont need.
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I don't think that most vets are out to gouge everyone. Hell it's tough enough to properly diagnose people sometimes and we can at least communicate what's wrong with us.
Only a select few are out to gouge. But to prevent against getting sued, they all have to assume that every owner wants to do everything in their power to get the pet healthy, including spending tens of thousands on tests and surgeries.

For most pet owners, the owner wants the vet to tell them, before testing, what the possible diagnoses are, what the costs of treating each diagnosis are, and the costs involved in testing for the diagnosis. Most owners will be able to rule out a number of treatment pathways right from the get-go based on cost. But vets instead cover their ass and recommend you do everything from A to Z. And when you opt not to, they make you sign that waiver JR mentioned, saying "I'm a bad pet owner, I'm going against vet's advice."

It's not a gouge, it's the cost of living in this ridiculous CYA, overly-litigious society.
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The best thing for dog owners is having a nice healthy dog and just when they start to have health problems they get flattened by a car.
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The best thing for dog owners is having a nice healthy dog and just when they start to have health problems they get flattened by a car.
I guess this would be a true statement if I looked at owning my dogs as a finiancal investment.
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The best thing for dog owners is having a nice healthy dog and just when they start to have health problems they get flattened by a car.
Maybe you were trying to be funny or maybe you weren't, but all the same I don't find that cool. My sister's friend had a dog once who lived absolutely fine (It was a little weiner dog, I forget what their true name is) who got out of the yard once and she disappeared for a couple days and they discovered she got ran over near a school about a mile away from where she lived. That's the worst kind of pet death there is imo, one day you have a fine, healthy, normal pet and the next they get out and boom they're gone.
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I think you're right about CYA and lawsuits. They want to make sure they don't leave themselves exposed to a big suit. Sign of the times I guess.
I do not think we can blame those greedy lawyers (actually their greedy clients) for this one. Generally speaking, vets are not exposed to big lawsuits. I cannot, for example, get $1M if a vet commits malpractice and kills my dog. Typically, if a vet seriously harms or kills your pet, you are only entitled to compensatory damages (i.e., the cost to buy the dog). I guess if you own a prize-winning racehorse and a vet kills your horse, you might have a claim, but otherwise you generally do not.
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I do not think we can blame those greedy lawyers (actually their greedy clients) for this one. Generally speaking, vets are not exposed to big lawsuits. I cannot, for example, get $1M if a vet commits malpractice and kills my dog. Typically, if a vet seriously harms or kills your pet, you are only entitled to compensatory damages (i.e., the cost to buy the dog). I guess if you own a prize-winning racehorse and a vet kills your horse, you might have a claim, but otherwise you generally do not.
True that, you don't win much from dog lawsuits. Takes away the incentive to cover ass, doesn't it. Maybe they are just gouging?
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I think to be a Vet you most likely love animals. If you know everything to help save the animal you are going to tell the person. In the end it is our duty to say yes or no to the treatment.

Sadly it is like owning a car. If a mechanic tells you how to fix it you have the choice of doing that or having a broken car. Problem with animals emotions is a big variable in this decision.

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Maybe you were trying to be funny or maybe you weren't, but all the same I don't find that cool. My sister's friend had a dog once who lived absolutely fine (It was a little weiner dog, I forget what their true name is) who got out of the yard once and she disappeared for a couple days and they discovered she got ran over near a school about a mile away from where she lived. That's the worst kind of pet death there is imo, one day you have a fine, healthy, normal pet and the next they get out and boom they're gone.
I was joking.
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I do not think we can blame those greedy lawyers (actually their greedy clients) for this one. Generally speaking, vets are not exposed to big lawsuits. I cannot, for example, get $1M if a vet commits malpractice and kills my dog. Typically, if a vet seriously harms or kills your pet, you are only entitled to compensatory damages (i.e., the cost to buy the dog). I guess if you own a prize-winning racehorse and a vet kills your horse, you might have a claim, but otherwise you generally do not.
If I'm correct some states maybe most or all look at pets as personal property. I'm not sure if it was a case in Virginia or in another state which received national attention but it involved a pet owner suing for a large sum of money due to the death of their pet. Not sure how far it went up in the court system but the final ruling was they are personal property.
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