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Old 06-05-2008, 12:54 PM   #31
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Is that really her doing, or ignorance on the part of Americans....or 70Chip's doing?
I'd say it's a little from column A and a little from column B. While I don't know that she ever came out and said it, she definitely implied it more than a few times. Especially when they made an issue out of Obama going to school in Indonesia.
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Old 06-05-2008, 03:01 PM   #32
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It was great seeing Obama's speech a few days ago! I'm ready for change! Heck, after the dumbest President in the history of America steps aside................any change will be change for the better!
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anything that's different from the last 20 years of career politicians. maybe someone will start listening to what the people really want
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Old 06-05-2008, 05:23 PM   #34
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anything that's different from the last 20 years of career politicians. maybe someone will start listening to what the people really want
What does that even mean? It sounds like you're just regurgitating some campaign slogan you heard somewhere.
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do you guys want the war? are you happy with the economy? are you happy with the United States energy policy? are you happy with our foreign policy? the one thing i do know is it will be status quo, if McCain gets elected. every time i hear someone like Obama speak about the middle class, im all ears. for some reason, it seems like one of this administrations goals has been to get rid of the middle class. i can gladly say i never voted for anyone with Bush as a last name
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do you guys want the war? are you happy with the economy? are you happy with the United States energy policy? are you happy with our foreign policy? the one thing i do know is it will be status quo, if McCain gets elected. every time i hear someone like Obama speak about the middle class, im all ears. for some reason, it seems like one of this administrations goals has been to get rid of the middle class. i can gladly say i never voted for anyone with Bush as a last name
Framing the issue as "who wants war?" is pretty rhetorical. The real question is whether the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are necessary. The former question is not even up for debate, the latter is tougher.

Also, I think it's pretty rhetorical to say that Bush and McCain have been fighting a war on the middle class. Those Dobbs-esque statements make my head hurt.
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do you guys want the war? are you happy with the economy? are you happy with the United States energy policy? are you happy with our foreign policy? the one thing i do know is it will be status quo, if McCain gets elected. every time i hear someone like Obama speak about the middle class, im all ears. for some reason, it seems like one of this administrations goals has been to get rid of the middle class. i can gladly say i never voted for anyone with Bush as a last name
Too bad all of Obama's policys are only going to make things worse.
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We can be political to an extent but let's keep it civil guys.
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Framing the issue as "who wants war?" is pretty rhetorical. The real question is whether the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are necessary. The former question is not even up for debate, the latter is tougher.

Also, I think it's pretty rhetorical to say that Bush and McCain have been fighting a war on the middle class. Those Dobbs-esque statements make my head hurt.
Sounds like someone doesn't like Lou Dobbs.
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What does that even mean? It sounds like you're just regurgitating some campaign slogan you heard somewhere.
No kidding. This stuff is why for the most part I try to stay away from the political threads around here. There are a lot of very well stated, interesting opinions, but some of the stuff makes my head hurt. I love talking politics, but I'd rather do it face to face with family and friends. I find more often than not online political discussions can turn into bar politics- a lot of shouting and force-feeding of view points.
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Sounds like someone doesn't like Lou Dobbs.
SGG stated a F Lou Dobbs thread a couple of years ago. And I couldn't agree more. The more I hear the guy talk the more annoyed I get.
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SGG stated a F Lou Dobbs thread a couple of years ago. And I couldn't agree more. The more I hear the guy talk the more annoyed I get.
My grandmother doesn't like him either.

I don't watch CNN enough to actually state an opinion on him, since I prefer MSNBC.

Care to get a little more in-depth about why you don't care for him? Anyone else feel free to pile on.

From what I've seen of him he comes off as being a little smarmy at times...
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If your all ears when Obama speaks then what are these changes that he is talking about.
Health care and early education reform. I'm not 100% certain where he intends to get the money from, possibly this unnecessary that is being waged in Middle East, though. (That is no way meant to be sarcasm, I actually don't know where he intends to get the funding)

Just so you know, I'm going to get involved in this discussion, I'm not talking about politics on this board.

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My grandmother doesn't like him either.

I don't watch CNN enough to actually state an opinion on him, since I prefer MSNBC.

Care to get a little more in-depth about why you don't care for him? Anyone else feel free to pile on.

From what I've seen of him he comes off as being a little smarmy at times...
I'm more of an MSNBC guy myself. But CNN is what's available here at work (more often than MSNBC is).

Smarmy is a good word to describe Dobbs.
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what are these changes that he is talking about.

What Changes!??!?! Dude! Where have you been? Do you really expect me to believe that you have never listened to one of Obama's speeches? He's made a bunch of them! Hey, if you've been busy or whatever then...........You have an internet connection, just Google Obama and change. You'll have to type it in like this:

Obama Change

Then You'll get a entire list of them!
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