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Old 06-07-2008, 11:14 PM   #61
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It'll be Obama because it's very unlikely the party in power will hold the White House with a down economy, an unpopular war, and after holding the office for the last eight years. Obama has a savvy enough campaign staff to not mess up too bad, IMO. It's a very tough road for McCain, given the usual political trends.
Many thought the same thing in 2004. I don't know what the Democratic Party will do though if they don't win this election though. I mean it's there for the taking
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Holy crap. This guy thinks he Jesus.
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Holy crap. This guy thinks he Jesus.
People continue to tell me otherwise and say that he's the anti-christ.
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I'm definately not in the Obama=anti-christ crowd. If nothing else, the guy is a fascinating candidate.

However, we've seen this episode before. We've seen politicians who are smooth develop cult followings with little or no substance behind the following. And rarely, if ever, have the results been positive.

I don't want to hold it against Obama that he can attract the young voters to his cause by preaching a message that they feel gives them hope. Hope is good. If George Bush inspired hope in the same way Obama can, we would view his presidency very differently despite the facts and situations being identical. Totally on board with hope.

Something is really just not right about this. Maybe it's just because I associate daily with an incredibly young demographic of people. But I'm very nervous about what crazy ideas Obama could propose and have millions defend him in doing so without any sort of reason.

He's no anti-christ, but the more I hear the pro-Obama arguments, the more I realize that if he gets elected, he will never be accountable for any decision he makes. And that's scary.

I'm just free flow writing here, so maybe I'm working myself up into a frenzy over nothing. But I hear phrases like "win the war for national healthcare" followed by crazy applause, and I realize just how much power this man has. I'm probably casting my vote for McCain based on policy alone, but if Obama wins he will be the strongest U.S. president since Reagan, and FDR before him. I just hope that if he wins, he's ready to handle the job.
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I'm definately not in the Obama=anti-christ crowd. If nothing else, the guy is a fascinating candidate.

However, we've seen this episode before. We've seen politicians who are smooth develop cult followings with little or no substance behind the following. And rarely, if ever, have the results been positive.

I don't want to hold it against Obama that he can attract the young voters to his cause by preaching a message that they feel gives them hope. Hope is good. If George Bush inspired hope in the same way Obama can, we would view his presidency very differently despite the facts and situations being identical. Totally on board with hope.

Something is really just not right about this. Maybe it's just because I associate daily with an incredibly young demographic of people. But I'm very nervous about what crazy ideas Obama could propose and have millions defend him in doing so without any sort of reason.

He's no anti-christ, but the more I hear the pro-Obama arguments, the more I realize that if he gets elected, he will never be accountable for any decision he makes. And that's scary.

I'm just free flow writing here, so maybe I'm working myself up into a frenzy over nothing. But I hear phrases like "win the war for national healthcare" followed by crazy applause, and I realize just how much power this man has. I'm probably casting my vote for McCain based on policy alone, but if Obama wins he will be the strongest U.S. president since Reagan, and FDR before him. I just hope that if he wins, he's ready to handle the job.
I'm going to digress and say that that quote reminds me of the episode of Family Guy where Lois was running for mayor and all she had to say was, "9/11" and the audience went nuts. Awesome episode.

Back to your regularly scheduled political debate.
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Old 06-08-2008, 03:16 AM   #66
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I think a lot of people would suggest that indeed. I realize primaries are not the time for ideas since it is very difficult to differentiate yourself from an opponent you usually stand shoulder to shoulder with but Obama has been remarkably light on ideas other than "change" in general. Given the current environment that might be enough but I find no fault with people who wonder what exactly he thinks he is going to do when he never really says other than pretty general directions.
My only response to this is he hasn't been anymore general than John McCain or even Clinton, who recently bowed out of the race. I think he's been general when he's had to be (larger rallys) and more specific (town hall meetings) in other settings.

Obama has been specific on his designs for Universal Healthcare, as well as the differences and disagreement(s) between his plan and Senator Clinton's. That plan and how he plans to fund it is outlined in great detail on his website, and was hashed out repeatedly during the debates.

Regarding the war in Iraq, which candidate(s) have been more specifc than the other regarding troop withdrawals or their plan to stay? I know that Clinton and Obama have both supported a phased down troop withdrawl with a deadline. John McCain, whom recently said he wanted troops out by 2013, never outlined specifically what that actually looks like in terms of phased down withdrawal.

On the issue of lobbying, I haven't heard one candidate speak more specifically and forcefully than Obama about their plan to change the culture of Washington and it's ties to federal lobbyist. In fact, he's already set the tone since becoming the nominee just a few days ago. The DNC, under Obama's direction, annonced they will no longer accept donations from Washington lobbyists and PACs. That's a huge development, that's change. But somehow it has managed to fly under the radar. The Democratic Party | Democratic Party Will No Longer Accept Washington Lobbyist Donations

The only point I'm making is after 22 televised debates, a lot of rhetoric, I would argue whether Obama or any of the other candidates, for that matter, have been particularly more vague and general than the other. I think his is highlighted more often due to his unique ability to draw record size crowds and stir emotion and excitiment among voters, perharps, since RFK.

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Old 06-08-2008, 10:02 AM   #67
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Decent piece by NPR on the lobbyist story

Obama Bans DNC from Taking Lobbyists' Money : NPR

But I mean McCain-Feingold was kind of a big change wasn't it?
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Thanks for the blurb. The latest rumor is that the Republicans have video of Michell Obama railing against "whitey" at church. Tell 10 friends.
i wasn't going to justify this with a response, but had to. this is the most ignorant thing i have seen posted on this board, ever. and that's saying alot
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i wasn't going to justify this with a response, but had to. this is the most ignorant thing i have seen posted on this board, ever. and that's saying alot
I originally thought this was a bad take at sarcasm or a joke, but it is a rumor in the blogosphere. I'm not saying it exists, I'm just saying it's an internet rumor with specifics as to where and when the event occured. The rumor discussion has made its way onto Fox News (I know surprise, surprise).

Michelle Malkin also had comments on it and I agree with her:

Michelle Malkin » Where is the purported Michelle Obama “whitey” video?
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I don't think anyone can top Bush but this speech is borderline...maybe it's just me? What is he trying to say? Is he really smiling (starts at 1:30 sec)? Does anything he say line-up with his voting record?
I think Obama has just topped Bush in terms of speaking.



And no I'm not doing this out of support of McCain because he is almost as bad as Obama.
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I think Obama has just topped Bush in terms of speaking.



And no I'm not doing this out of support of McCain because he is almost as bad as Obama.
These guys give about 14 speeches a day and have to talk off the top of their heads most of the time to hundreds and thousands. They are bound to screw up some and I don't think we should hold it against them.
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These guys give about 14 speeches a day and have to talk off the top of their heads most of the time to hundreds and thousands. They are bound to screw up some and I don't think we should hold it against them.
I completely understand that, but people are all over Bush when he does it. When Obama does it, you don't hear a thing and all you hear about is how great of a speaker he is.
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I completely understand that, but people are all over Bush when he does it. When Obama does it, you don't hear a thing and all you hear about is how great of a speaker he is.
"Africa is a great nation with many diseases." - George Bush

"Your free now and freedom is good. Its going to take us a little while to make chaos out of order......order out of chaos." - George Bush just an hour or so after the statues of Saddam Hussein were ripped down.

This is a loose quote..........."we hope we get the democracy here like the one in Iraq". -George Bush, publicly, to President Putin of Russia

"I hope we don't get the democracy here like the one we have in Iraq." - President Putin, publicly, in response to Bush.

Its not just about Bush screwing up his words. Its also about Bush embarrassing himself and our country. Thats why people rip him for it. Obama promises to change that and he most definetly will.
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Old 06-10-2008, 11:40 AM   #74
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"Africa is a great nation with many diseases." - George Bush

"Your free now and freedom is good. Its going to take us a little while to make chaos out of order......order out of chaos." - George Bush just an hour or so after the statues of Saddam Hussein were ripped down.

This is a loose quote..........."we hope we get the democracy here like the one in Iraq". -George Bush, publicly, to President Putin of Russia

"I hope we don't get the democracy here like the one we have in Iraq." - President Putin, publicly, in response to Bush.

Its not just about Bush screwing up his words. Its also about Bush embarrassing himself and our country. Thats why people rip him for it. Obama promises to change that and he most definetly will.
“In case you missed it, this week, there was a tragedy in Kansas. Ten thousand people died — an entire town destroyed.” - Barack Obama
The actual death toll: 12.

“Over the last 15 months, we’ve traveled to every corner of the United States. I’ve now been in 57 states? I think one left to go.” - Barack Obama

And in perhaps the most seriously troubling set of gaffes of them all, Obama told a Portland crowd over the weekend that Iran doesn’t “pose a serious threat to us” — cluelessly arguing that “tiny countries” with small defense budgets can’t do us harm — and then promptly flip-flopped the next day, claiming, “I’ve made it clear for years that the threat from Iran is grave.”

Earlier this month in Cape Girardeau, Mo., Obama showed off his knowledge of the war in Afghanistan by homing in on a lack of translators: “We only have a certain number of them, and if they are all in Iraq, then it’s harder for us to use them in Afghanistan.” The real reason it’s “harder for us to use them” in Afghanistan: Iraqis speak Arabic or Kurdish. The Afghanis speak Pashto, Farsi, or other non-Arabic languages.

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Sorry but Little W will always be the king of the retarded one liners.
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