Taxing the rich - what is the cutoff?

firstdown

I found my daughters 4 year degree cost use around $60,000 going to an in state school. She just graduated this year and has found her first job making $36,000 plus benefits. So while thats not a ton of money it is giving her a good start. When she was looking at schools I gave her the choice of any in state school (not private) which really helped with cost. In Va. we have pretty good schools and I just did not see an advantage of going out of state but I'm sure thats not true for all people.

saden1

Probably works for the state or government. Them lawyers get squat diddy. But even at major/minor law firms they still don't make enough to warrant 250K education tab.

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onlydarksets

To be fair, for SGG that included 4 years undergrad, which probably accounts for half of it.

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Schneed10

OK thanks for that info. I had no idea the average lawyer made so much money.

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Mattyk

I remember a professor I had early on in college pulled me aside once and suggested I should look into going to law school. I should have listened.

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onlydarksets

The dilemma is that, in order to get those jobs, you have to either attend a top 10 school (which in most cases will set you back $140k+), or be at the top of your class in a top 50 school (which can still cost you $140k+).

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Schneed10

OK yeah, now it's starting to make sense.

I found this source for attorney starting salaries in the US, it's definitely not in the 6 figures. I guess to land a job at a "major" firm you need, like you said, top credentials:

PayScale - Lawyer Starting Salaries, Average Salary for a Lawyer

And this chart here seems to indicate why you guys in the DC area would be used to very high lawyer salaries:

PayScale - Attorney / Lawyer Salary, Average Salaries by City

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onlydarksets

No question. NYC and DC are the lawyer capitals of the country. NYC tends to set prices for the rest of the country, in terms of when salaries increase. Salaries have skyrocketed lately. 10 years ago, starting salary was around $85k in DC.

So, it's possible that my world-view is skewed when it comes to this. About half the people I know fall into the mid-30s, 2 kids, household income over $250k (lawyers, IT, investment banking) category. All of them can afford the increase, but only a few would I categorize as affluent, and none would I describe as "rich" or "wealthy".

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Sheriff Gonna Getcha

The average lawyer does not make so much money. The notion that anyone can get a $160K job just by graduating law school is dead wrong, and it is the misconception which draws young 22 year olds into the profession. There are about 180 accredited law schools and the big firms tend to hire about 50% of their attorneys from the top 15 schools and the remainder from the top 40 or so. Rarely does a big firm hire a law student from a second tier law school, let alone a third tier law school.

Most 3rd, 2nd, and 1st tier law school grads become public defenders, prosecutors, government lawyers, public interest lawyers, or small firm lawyers. The average law school grad does not work for a 1,000+ attorney firm paying $160K to newly minted attorneys.

Moreover, many big firms pay a lot, but they expect their first years to pay them in blood and with their first born. There is a reason why roughly 50% of those highly paid lawyers leave their jobs within the first 3 years, notwithstanding the fact that they are faced with a mountain of debt.

EDIT - I just read your other post in which you basically said what I noted above.

That Guy

750k house with 150k down seems low and high as far as the money goes, especially if they wanted to be close to work.

also, if they actually had to go to a dentist/doctor they'd throw those numbers out of whack as well (besides loans), since PPOs and dental plans just don't pay for everything.

not saying your numbers are completely unreasonable, but it's not the end all, and a dual income household in DC can very easily hit 250k.

the biggest thing is the relative buying power of that 250k isn't nearly as high in DC as it would be in montana, but both households get taxed equally, since there's no CoLA for major cities (of course, it's a bit harder to make 250k/year in montana though).

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Sheriff Gonna Getcha

The interest is deductible, but I still take a huge hit on the interest for my student loans. The student loans are, to my knowledge, not deductible as an educational expense (e.g., a Hope of Lifetime Learning Credit) because I am no longer a student.

onlydarksets

That's an excellent point that I failed to mention.

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saden1

You mean to tell me lawyers aren't as rich and flamboyant as they are on tv?

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