FISA with Telecom Immunity Passed

70Chip

The government can listen in on me anytime they want. I hope they like being bored.

The reality is that the NSA can listen to whatever they want anytime they want and there's nothing the courts or activists or even the POTUS can do about it. This train left the station in the 1970s.





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Slingin Sammy 33

We definitely agree on this point. While I don't think war on terror itself is fake, we should be fighting it in a much more clandestine way. I don't like the idea of our troops basically being targets to draw out terrorists. Mass deployments are also ridiculously expensive.

When Bush 1 stopped from going all the way into Iraq in Desert Storm he was heavily criticized, it appears he had a lot more wisdom than many gave him credit for.

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That Guy

they set mission goals, they drew up the contingencies, and they followed their plan.

powell is a better man than rumsfeld and cheney combined. too bad he got played in the whole deal :/. rumsfeld's "plan as you go without intel" version of waging a war is just about the stupidest thing i've ever seen.

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firstdown

Those three guys we just rescued last week from that terrorist group was done by using wire taps so it does work and who said terrorist where smart to start with.

dmek25

people talk about drinking the redskins kool aid. firstdown, you definitely have sipped on the Bush kool aid

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Miller101

Sipps on it!?!?!? No way! He gulps it!

firstdown

Well I guess the guy for the AP was drinking the same stuff then.
Journal & Courier

Known as "Alliance," it began with a satellite phone call in 2003, just weeks after the Americans' surveillance plane crashed in the southern Colombian jungle, according to U.S. and Colombian investigators and court documents.
The call came from Nancy Conde, the regional finance and supply chief for the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia, or FARC, whose boyfriend would become the American hostages' jailer. She was calling confederates in Miami to see if they could supply the rebels with some satellite phones.
What Conde didn't know was that state security agents were listening.
U.S. law officers arrested the Miami contacts, who in exchange for promises of reduced sentences put Conde in touch with an FBI front company, according to a U.S. law enforcement official involved in the investigation, who spoke on condition of anonymity for security reasons.

dmek25

calm down. im just trying to have alittle fun with you

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firstdown

I was just responding to your post and then Millers101 post which made it sound like I made up the story. What I was pointing out that tracking the bad guys has produced results and may have saved these three guys life. I don't think this wire tapping was under FISA but it does prove to have its uses. It was the bad guys caling the US and they tapped their phones and made several arrest then got those guys phones with taps in them so they could trace them down. Not sure why it took five years but the end result was we got our guys back and caught a few more of the bad guys.

BleedBurgundy

Call me cynical, but I have a VERY hard time believing that this bit of legislation is going to have any actual effect on day to day intelligence gathering activities. I tend to believe that the gov is already doing just about anything and everything in their power to listen to, observe and otherwise gain knowledge of those with ideals opposed to theirs. This legislation is merely a method of covering their ass in the event that something leaks. Maybe i'm paranoid, but I have zero faith in the gov to make a decision to stop what they're doing because they've hit an ethical wall. This is just the paperwork after the fact. Of course, that's all conjecture...

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Miller101

Hey Firstdown.........just for the record I was joking around too.

And I see your point in your post, but..........it doesn't bother you? This immunity thing? They should have passed this law first! They shouldn't have just kept Congress in the dark and broken the law. And kept on breaking the law for 7 years or so. That is bullcrud! And now, noone is going to have too answer for it.......EVEN MORE BULLCRUD!

dmek25

my point, i think, is the same point that guy was trying to make. if you don't have the proper checks and balances in place, the government will definitely misuse this power

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firstdown

They had congressional hearing about this and even the Judge who testified said that the president did not break any laws. Now if you can show the evidence he broke the law then you have done more than they could do and I'm sure the Dems looked at this from all angles. Now if you feel it is breaking your rights then that is another thing but against the law it wasn't. What they just did here was to put into law the procedure the president has to follow so it is clear to all what powers he does or does not have.