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Old 08-13-2008, 01:31 PM   #31
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But you call us out when we say Clinton was part of a problem and stuff like that. Which was my point.
Apples and oranges. I'm at least sticking to the general topic of cheating politicians. When we're talking about issues involving the current administration and you just want to keep piling it back on previous administrations I just think that's lame and passing the buck.
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Old 08-13-2008, 01:42 PM   #32
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I guess I'm in the minority here, because I actually *do* care if a politician cheats on his wife. It is a sign of weak character, and if you're concerned with lobbyists influencing the government, then you better damn sure be concerned about a politician's character. To me, there is nothing more important about a person than their character -- be it a politician, trash collector, or otherwise.
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Old 08-13-2008, 01:43 PM   #33
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John Edwards offered some advice to Russia in their conflict with Georgia:

"Russia better pull out quickly or they will be in trouble."
LOL. Shame that this post got lost in the midst of everything else
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I guess I'm in the minority here, because I actually *do* care if a politician cheats on his wife. It is a sign of weak character, and if you're concerned with lobbyists influencing the government, then you better damn sure be concerned about a politician's character. To me, there is nothing more important about a person than their character -- be it a politician, trash collector, or otherwise.
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Old 08-13-2008, 02:00 PM   #35
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Perhaps it is a shame that in today's society this stuff has become so common that it doesn't even bother us. Yeah it's a knock on their character, but everyone makes mistakes both big and small. It's how they recover from it that is telling to me.
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Thank you.

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i don't know if i agree with this. people look at J.F.K as a great leader. that man fooled around more then alittle. i think there are 2 separate issues. i think great leaders don't have to be morally perfect. as long as they can make good, crisp decisions, in time of stress. im not sure where the weak character, as someone else said, comes into play
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I guess I'm in the minority here, because I actually *do* care if a politician cheats on his wife. It is a sign of weak character, and if you're concerned with lobbyists influencing the government, then you better damn sure be concerned about a politician's character. To me, there is nothing more important about a person than their character -- be it a politician, trash collector, or otherwise.
I think most of us do care. But as matty pointed out, we are used to it. It's virtually impossible to be a politician with high character.
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Perhaps it is a shame that in today's society this stuff has become so common that it doesn't even bother us. Yeah it's a knock on their character, but everyone makes mistakes both big and small. It's how they recover from it that is telling to me.
You're right. Ultimately, the true test of a person's character is how they react to adversity, and how they overcome their mistakes. I guess cheating on my wife is just a mistake that I would never make. I'm not insinuating any of you guys would do that. There are just some things that are really hard to forgive.

As for a President's character, I want them to do the "right" thing. The morally right thing -- not the right thing for America. It may sound silly, but I'd much rather people base their decisions on morals rather than nationalism, security, etc. -- even if it meant trouble for the country. Unfortunately, that is not how government is designed to work.
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You're right. Ultimately, the true test of a person's character is how they react to adversity, and how they overcome their mistakes. I guess cheating on my wife is just a mistake that I would never make. I'm not insinuating any of you guys would do that. There are just some things that are really hard to forgive.

As for a President's character, I want them to do the "right" thing. The morally right thing -- not the right thing for America. It may sound silly, but I'd much rather people base their decisions on morals rather than nationalism, security, etc. -- even if it meant trouble for the country. Unfortunately, that is not how government is designed to work.
That makes no sense at all. A president is elected to do the right things for Americia. Now if they have good sound morals then that should help them make good strong decisions but making the right choice for this country comes first and I don't think you have to throw morals out the window to do that.
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That makes no sense at all. A president is elected to do the right things for Americia. Now if they have good sound morals then that should help them make good strong decisions but making the right choice for this country comes first and I don't think you have to throw morals out the window to do that.
So, you justify immoral actions based on the good of the country? Do you also justify immoral actions based on what's best for you? Machiavellianism at its worst... Sigh.
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While the offense is troublesome, it's the subsequent lying that's more odious. Don't lie to me. Don't be a f'ing weasel, be a man and tell the truth...that is expected of you as someone who represents others.
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LOL. Shame that this post got lost in the midst of everything else
Yeah, I thought I made a good "funny".
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I guess I'm in the minority here, because I actually *do* care if a politician cheats on his wife. It is a sign of weak character, and if you're concerned with lobbyists influencing the government, then you better damn sure be concerned about a politician's character. To me, there is nothing more important about a person than their character -- be it a politician, trash collector, or otherwise.
I'm with you on this one Dog! If a politician is going to lie to his wife, what lies will he/she tell to the country?

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So, you justify immoral actions based on the good of the country? Do you also justify immoral actions based on what's best for you? Machiavellianism at its worst... Sigh.
You need to re-read my post as I did not say one thing about not using morals when making decisions. Maybe I did not understand your post which I was responding to.
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