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Old 08-20-2008, 01:18 AM   #16
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21 is a joke anyway. How many of us were drinking by 18? Hell how about by 16?
I'm only 20 and I've been drinking for a few years now, although I am definitely not a major alcoholic like so many people I know my age. I'm not like everybody else that drinks though, I very rarely drink anymore, I've only drank once in the last 4 months, and that was my 20th b-day back in June, and I've pretty much decided I'm not a fan of alcohol like everybody else. I learned because pretty much the last 3 times I've drank alcohol in the past year I end up going over my limit and "partying with the bucket" as they say, and overall it wasn't as enjoyable an experience as before. So now I'm pretty much keeping it casual, I find it's not fun if I drink too much. I'm pretty much glad I'm not like my other friends that rent a house and drink themselves wasted almost every night that they aren't working or busy.
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Old 08-20-2008, 08:17 AM   #17
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I'm only 20 and I've been drinking for a few years now, although I am definitely not a major alcoholic like so many people I know my age. I'm not like everybody else that drinks though, I very rarely drink anymore, I've only drank once in the last 4 months, and that was my 20th b-day back in June, and I've pretty much decided I'm not a fan of alcohol like everybody else. I learned because pretty much the last 3 times I've drank alcohol in the past year I end up going over my limit and "partying with the bucket" as they say, and overall it wasn't as enjoyable an experience as before. So now I'm pretty much keeping it casual, I find it's not fun if I drink too much. I'm pretty much glad I'm not like my other friends that rent a house and drink themselves wasted almost every night that they aren't working or busy.
Oh man you just need some more bad times in your life to drink away. then you will love the beer. I suggest start with a wife, then her mother, and finally top it off with a kid, you will be drinking like a champ. I am joking, kind of. =)

Sounds like your buddies are on skid road.
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Old 08-20-2008, 10:19 AM   #18
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Re: College Presidents asking for a lowered drinking age.

Kids are going to drink no matter what you set the age at. Is there any evidence that teen drinking was reduced when the limit went from 18 to 21?
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Kids are going to drink no matter what you set the age at. Is there any evidence that teen drinking was reduced when the limit went from 18 to 21?
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Firstdown -- what I was trying to say, is finding a place/person to get beer is not an issue. In fact, I think more people would wait till the legal age if it were 18 rather than 21. You're being completely ignorant if you don't realize drinking is already a lifestyle in high school.
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Re: College Presidents asking for a lowered drinking age.

Advantages of 21 age requirement include a farther divide from legal purchasers of alcohol and young children/teens, which is a main concern. Every 14yr old goes to school with 18yr olds, who will inevitably provide them with alcohol at some point. Having the age set at 21 separates that 14yr old from people who can or would be willing to provide them with alcohol.

Being a father to a little girl, I certainly don't want every high school senior with a DL and a hard on to have the opportunity to feed my 14yr old daughter beer in hopes that hell get laid.

As far as being accountable, with 30 being the new 20 and many twenty-somethings taking longer to leave the nest and establish their own lives, I think lowering the age would be a move in the wrong direction. I would also argue against the heavy recruitment of high school kids by the military for the same reason. Kids that age need to be putting thoughts to their future without being inebreated or prodded by someone with an agenda.

If I'd have been able to legally drink at 18 I wouldve been stupid about it and probably ruined my life. I was stupid enough without unlimited access.


Let's not also forget that final milestone birthday. Nothing to look forward to after 18 as far as birthdays go...
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Not disagreeing with military being a constructive choice, but anyone in the military knows recruiters tend to stretch the truth. My grandfather was a recruiter and he said they would flat out lie all the time. I come from a strong military family background, and think there are great opportunities there, but these guys can get predatorial on dumb kids.
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So if the military cannot use high schools for recuitment then I guess colleges have to be banned also. One could argue that the millitary is the right choice for some while college is the right choice for other kids. I live in a military are and have seen allot of people do very well by going into the military which would have not made it in college.
Oh and I absolutely wouldn't ban them from the schools. Any time there would be a career day etc... they should be there. Maybe its different now, but when I was in school these guys lived at my damn school. There were no colleges hanging out with the kids damn near everyday, getting them out of classes buying them cigarettes and lying to them about how if they sign up they can just party and get paid for 6 years. Gettin paid to get laid, I believe was the preferred marines term for what he did.
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Not disagreeing with military being a constructive choice, but anyone in the military knows recruiters tend to stretch the truth. My grandfather was a recruiter and he said they would flat out lie all the time. I come from a strong military family background, and think there are great opportunities there, but these guys can get predatorial on dumb kids.
HBO had a excellant Doc on this about a month ago. It open my eyes to kids in a one stop light towns that have this choice Taco Bell cashier or the military for their future careers. If you have any pride you probably goign to end up in the middle east.

Here is a link I strongly suggest everyone watch it, this is the frontline that fills the frontline in the middle east:

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Yeah, I've seen a recruiting documentary where the recruiters would stop a kid and and talk to them about enlisting. The kids wouldn't be interested, but the recruiters would trick them into giving up some of their information (i.e.: phone, address, etc.), and the recruiters would put them on the list as if they were interested in enlisting. It seems like it is a very unethical job.
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I can remember steeling beer from my Dad when I was 14. In my opinion if you’re old enough to be held accountable as an adult in the eyes of the law you should be old enough to drink.
That's the way I see it exactly. You can die for your country at the age of 18, you get tried as an adult in court, one should be able to consume alchohol.
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Re: College Presidents asking for a lowered drinking age.

What would be an advantage of lowering the drinking age?
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Read the article, EE21. College professors say the later drinking age encourages binge drinking, puts students in situations trying to hide alcohol that are typically much more dangerous than a bar/etc, and basically they say you're an adult in every sense of the word. If you do something stupid with alcohol, you're responsible. America has a very high percentage of alcoholism and we have some of the more extreme alcohol laws in the world. (DUIs are much more crippling in many European countries -- part of that comes from great mass transit I would guess) and with our rate of alcoholism, why not change? Yes, more kids between 18-21 will die from alcohol related things -- but there will also be a steep drop-off in deaths from 21-25ish.
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Old 08-20-2008, 04:10 PM   #29
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I still don't get the logic behind the statements... that somehow being "exposed" to alcohol earlier will make them more responsible? wtf? I just don't get the logic. Binge drinking may go down at the college level (i doubt it, though) with the lowering of the age limit based on the fact that the people who are likely to wrecklessly abuse alcohol will drink enough to derail their lives before college, keeping them out of schools entirely...

The reason all the binge drinking and general debauchery goes on in college, is that its many young peoples first taste of freedom, and liberty from parental rules... It really has nothing to do with the legality of alcohol. If the only consequence of lowering the age were that less college age kids would be breaking the law, I'd be all for it...but alcohol is already pretty prominent in high schools, where kids are bad enough drivers, impressionable, and irresponsible. Why make that problem worse? And it would. I guarantee we'd see a spike in dropout rates, teen pregnancies, alcohol related fatalities, etc... among high school kids.

Maybe that's the angle? Either way the negatives far outweigh the positives. When I was 18 or even closer to 21 I would've argued all day long for lowering the age, but not now.
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Because it's at 21 I think there's a good portion of kids that have little to no exposure to alcohol UNTIL they get to college. And let's face it college isn't the best place to get your first exposure to alcohol. If your first real exposure to drinking involves doing keg stands and beer bongs, that's probably not a great idea.

Honestly I don't know what the answer is, but it's clear that the 21 age limit really isn't doing anything to deter drinking so why not try a different direction?
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