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Old 09-01-2008, 07:29 PM   #181
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12th, let me for one say that I am glad that we are having this discussion about impotant things that we feel very passionate about. Discussions like this will only educate people. And that is how we can learn more about each other.

Now to comment about your above post. As far as those who do not or can't serve our military. I don't have a problem with those people. And I didn't say that was a prerequisite to becoming commander-in-chief. But, my beef is with those people who are disrespectful to the flag and our country with their words and deeds.

Also, my parents would say that you know alot about a person by the type of people that they hang around. And all that I said earlier is that I think Obama hangs out with some suspect people who I think are influential to his thinking.

You referenced the institution of slavery. Let me be one of the many people to say that that was a terrible thing that happened in our nations past. And unfortunately that was going on before our nation really had a solvent government. Still this does not excuse it at all. It is however too bad that it has taken us hundreds of years to really get the We The People thing right.
I didn't bring up slavery to make anyway feel sorry, but that it's just a chapter, a big chapter, of our nation's history. And as great as our Constitution is, we as a nation have, at times, struggled to reconcile our history of injustice and the what the Constitution stands for.

As far as Obama's friends or buddies. It's well documented that when Ayer's committed whatever it is he's accused of, Obama was eight years old. Had Obama been a friend of Ayer's at that time and espoused those same beliefs and actions, then I'd have a major problem with it. But he doesn't. This man, while still a little off his rocker, just isn't one of his close friends or colleagues. And if we are going to judge one relationship, then let's judge them in the context of all of his relationships.
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Old 09-01-2008, 09:16 PM   #182
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this pick was strictly politics as usual. reaching out for the Hilliary supporters. the first thing i thought was, is this the best they could do? with her lack of experience, she makes Obama look worldly. there is no way in hell i want her one step away from running my country. almost laughable
I guess that Obama's pick was one of politics and just more of the same as we have gotten from Biden and his spending for years. It seems that the dems are scared of McCains pick and the lack of Obamas movment in the polls behind thier convention. Even Kerry had a 7% jump in the polls after his convention and Obama's didn't move at all. We still hear his call for change but see the same old Biden as his VP.
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Old 09-01-2008, 09:19 PM   #183
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You know, this is going to be very interesting. I wouldn't say Dems are on edge though. We just had a great convention and perhaps swayed a good chunk of Hillary supporters our way. So that was a plus. But I think Palin will go through an intense public vetting for the next 60 days.

I think the country is captivated with this pick though. If anyone, the GOP are on edge and hoping she can deliver. But the thing Dems, especially Obama and Biden, have to be careful about is the issue of gender and not coming accross as disrespectful or talking down to her.
Well if you look at the current polls after your convention Kerry did better in his run than Obama.
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Old 09-02-2008, 01:04 AM   #184
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Getting back on topic, I see that abstinence only education has worked very well for the Palins. Go family values! Yay!
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Old 09-02-2008, 07:47 AM   #185
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Getting back on topic, I see that abstinence only education has worked very well for the Palins. Go family values! Yay!
Another gem from that article:

"But Palin also is revered by the conservative base for her fierce opposition to abortion..."

What for? Don't conservatives realize that the vice-president has absolutely no power to do anything about abortion whatsoever?

Abortion isn't going anywhere in this country. Yet all a republican has to do is say the right things on that topic and all is right with the world for evangelicals. The thumpers had eight years of a pro-life president, and six of those years with a republican majority in Congress. What were they able to do about abortion? NOTHING.

Nevermind actual results -- just regurgitate the talking points.

Boy, talk about having a voting bloc in your back pocket no matter what.
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Old 09-02-2008, 09:33 AM   #186
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Another gem from that article:

"But Palin also is revered by the conservative base for her fierce opposition to abortion..."

What for? Don't conservatives realize that the vice-president has absolutely no power to do anything about abortion whatsoever?

Abortion isn't going anywhere in this country. Yet all a republican has to do is say the right things on that topic and all is right with the world for evangelicals. The thumpers had eight years of a pro-life president, and six of those years with a republican majority in Congress. What were they able to do about abortion? NOTHING.

Nevermind actual results -- just regurgitate the talking points.

Boy, talk about having a voting bloc in your back pocket no matter what.
Yea, and the Dems don't have any voters in their pack pocket.
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Old 09-02-2008, 09:40 AM   #187
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Another gem from that article:

"But Palin also is revered by the conservative base for her fierce opposition to abortion..."

What for? Don't conservatives realize that the vice-president has absolutely no power to do anything about abortion whatsoever?

Abortion isn't going anywhere in this country. Yet all a republican has to do is say the right things on that topic and all is right with the world for evangelicals. The thumpers had eight years of a pro-life president, and six of those years with a republican majority in Congress. What were they able to do about abortion? NOTHING.

Nevermind actual results -- just regurgitate the talking points.

Boy, talk about having a voting bloc in your back pocket no matter what.
Yeah they should give that battle up. They probably don't care all that much about the issue anyways.
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Old 09-02-2008, 10:08 AM   #188
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Well if there was ever a time to push for a constitutional amendment to ban abortion it was after the 2004 election, with Republicans controlling essentially everything under the sun. What did we get instead? Privatized social security.
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Well if there was ever a time to push for a constitutional amendment to ban abortion it was after the 2004 election, with Republicans controlling essentially everything under the sun. What did we get instead? Privatized social security.
First off even if congress and the president did pass a law making abortion illegal the Supreme Court would have the final say and I don't see them over turning their prior decission. As far as SS is concerned all you have to do is look at Galviston (spelling) Texas private system to see how much better it performs over the current broken system.

Even Congress has their own seperate retirment plain which is not in the current SS plain that they force us into.

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First off even if congress and the president did pass a law making abortion illegal the Supreme Court would have the final say and I don't see them over turning their prior decission. As far as SS is concerned all you have to do is look at Galviston (spelling) Texas private system to see how much better it performs over the current broken system.

Even Congress has their own seperate retirment plain which is not in the current SS plain that they force us into.
I keep hearing about Galveston health care system, would you be so kind to point me to information about their private health care system?
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Well if you look at the current polls after your convention Kerry did better in his run than Obama.
True, but this really is a different election. Around this time during the Kerry campaign he was getting swift boated left and right. Not so this time around.I think the polls that really matter right now are the ones in about four battle ground states. The nationwide polls, especially, the Gallop where BHO is up like 7 points, can be a bit misleading on any given day.
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Old 09-02-2008, 11:56 AM   #192
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Yea, and the Dems don't have any voters in their pack pocket.
I didn't say they didn't. Both parties have constituents who will never leave no matter what.

And that's the problem.
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Yeah they should give that battle up. They probably don't care all that much about the issue anyways.
Oh I'm sure they care -- most evangelicals care so much about that issue that nothing else matters. A candidate could be a communist and it wouldn't matter to the thumpers as long as that candidate is anti-choice.
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Slightly off-topic for a second,

I thought you'd appreciate this saden.

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Old 09-02-2008, 12:23 PM   #195
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I personally have not heard anything out of either camp regarding immigration, and attendant problems it is immersing us in. Anybody find that...........quizzical?
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