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Old 09-22-2008, 11:56 AM   #646
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I know we're splitting hairs, but there is a key difference in the definitions. elite is simply a description of a person or group.

The problem I have with Elitism is: The belief that certain persons or members of certain classes or groups deserve favored treatment by virtue of their perceived superiority, as in intellect, social status, or financial resources.
2. a. The sense of entitlement enjoyed by such a group or class.b. Control, rule, or domination by such a group or class.
I understand the distinction you're trying to make, but couldn't it be said that the Bush family ranks right up there with the very group you have such a problem with? How about McCain? His father and grandfather were both Navy Admirals. He married into wealth, and has spent nearly 30 years in Washington. You don't think he perceives himself of a higher social status than the rest of us peons?

I'm not a fan of Obama, but doesn't he strike you as just the opposite of the "elitists" -- coming from relative obscurity in a middle class family, and only recently achieving any sort of status by being elected to the Senate? What about Bill Clinton? Come on -- he came from the lower class backwoods in Arkansas for crying out loud. Would you classify either of these people as "elitists" ??

The last republicans who came from similar roots would be Reagan and Nixon. But since then, they've been charter members of the "country club elite".
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Old 09-23-2008, 10:02 AM   #647
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I have a question about Obama that maybe some Obama fan could answer. It seemed back around a month ago Obama said he would not raise taxes on anyone making under $125,000 but how is saying that he will not raise taxes for anyone making under $250,000. Did something change or did he never claim that he would not raise taxes on people making under $125,000?
Obama has always said the cut off line is 250K. He has never said he would raise taxes on people making 125K and above.
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Old 09-23-2008, 11:13 AM   #648
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I understand the distinction you're trying to make, but couldn't it be said that the Bush family ranks right up there with the very group you have such a problem with? How about McCain? His father and grandfather were both Navy Admirals. He married into wealth, and has spent nearly 30 years in Washington. You don't think he perceives himself of a higher social status than the rest of us peons?

I'm not a fan of Obama, but doesn't he strike you as just the opposite of the "elitists" -- coming from relative obscurity in a middle class family, and only recently achieving any sort of status by being elected to the Senate? What about Bill Clinton? Come on -- he came from the lower class backwoods in Arkansas for crying out loud. Would you classify either of these people as "elitists" ??

The last republicans who came from similar roots would be Reagan and Nixon. But since then, they've been charter members of the "country club elite".
They're all elitists, Obama included. They all have an air of entitlement.

The difference is in the way each group markets its policies; the Dems generally favor government solutions and programs to solve problems (Govt should take more of our money and knows how to handle fix things). Republicans say they favor smaller government with people responsible and in control of their lives. The Republican message fits hand-in-hand with labeling the Dems elitist. Have the Republicans shrunk government in the last 8 years.....we all know the answer is no.

I would like to see Term Limits in place for the Senate and Congress, maybe a regular turn-over would force some positive changes (yes, I'm know, I'm a cautous optimist).
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This woman keeps me entertained.

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So what's up with McCain wanting to cancel the debates?

Washington Wire - WSJ.com : McCain's Call to Cancel Debate Met with Resistance
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So what's up with McCain wanting to cancel the debates?

Washington Wire - WSJ.com : McCain's Call to Cancel Debate Met with Resistance
He's dropped to 9 points down in the polls after being up by as much as 4 a week or so ago, depending on the poll. Obama has hit 52 percent. This economic crisis is killing McCain with the voters. This is a hail mary move.

Of course it's only a matter of time before certain posters point out that the maverick is only selflessly thinking about what's best for the country, while Barack Hussein Obama the undercover Muslim who hates America only cares about winning.
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this woman is so uneducated on the issues, how the hell is she going to debate next Thursday? it seems like any time McCain flip flops on any of his positions, the word maverick magically appears. this republican ticket is turning into a joke
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He's dropped to 9 points down in the polls after being up by as much as 4 a week or so ago, depending on the poll. Obama has hit 52 percent. This economic crisis is killing McCain with the voters. This is a hail mary move.

Of course it's only a matter of time before certain posters point out that the maverick is only selflessly thinking about what's best for the country, while Barack Hussein Obama the undercover Muslim who hates America only cares about winning.
It does seem like a desperate move to me. I think he just knows that he and Palin are going to get buried in the debates.
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this woman is so uneducated on the issues, how the hell is she going to debate next Thursday? it seems like any time McCain flip flops on any of his positions, the word maverick magically appears. this republican ticket is turning into a joke
You could get a good drinking game going with all the times she mentions 'Maverick'. Or maybe she just loves Top Gun.
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this woman is so uneducated on the issues, how the hell is she going to debate next Thursday? it seems like any time McCain flip flops on any of his positions, the word maverick magically appears. this republican ticket is turning into a joke
While I am still undecided, I lean towards McCain. That said, I have to agree with you here. I can't justify voting for this ticket unless she raises her awareness on just about everything (aside from morality issues, where she seems to have all of her knowledge invested). 8 yrs has been enough of a president who looks unsure every time he opens his mouth. This election is really disappointing me. I disagree with Obama on most issues, but McCain is nowhere near the force he was 10 yrs ago.
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John McCain is putting Country First! Obama and the Dems only care about power! J/K.

Seriously though, McCain knows this economic crisis is killing him. Smart move by him IMO, he's put himself in a position that if the bailout is passed it will appear he had something to do with it and he'll take credit, hopefully reversing the poor poll numbers. If the bill doesn't pass, he can be in Washington stumping about the Democratic controlled Congress killing the U.S. economy with partisan bickering.
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It's a gimmick one intended to change the media narrative and possibly give Palin more time to prepare or to skip the VP debate all together. We'll just have to see if it works in his favor.

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While I am still undecided, I lean towards McCain. That said, I have to agree with you here. I can't justify voting for this ticket unless she raises her awareness on just about everything (aside from morality issues, where she seems to have all of her knowledge invested). 8 yrs has been enough of a president who looks unsure every time he opens his mouth. This election is really disappointing me. I disagree with Obama on most issues, but McCain is nowhere near the force he was 10 yrs ago.
The idea of Palin as VP should scare the crap out of any rational human being. Horrible VP choice and I think it will be one of the main factors that costs McCain the election.
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What poll are you looking at?
Economic Fears Give Obama Clear Lead Over McCain in Poll - washingtonpost.com
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The only thing that poll was ment to do was to mislead the American people into thinking that Obama is helped by the economic issues right now. If you look at the people polled its like 54% dems to like 30% rep. The Washington Post is the most bias news around and is not a very good source.
While I agree polls have to be taken with a grain of salt, every news outlet that isn't favorable towards McCain isn't necessarily unreliable or in the tank for Obama. Also, whether or not the Post is biased and a credible source or not is highly debatable.
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