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Old 09-18-2008, 12:50 PM   #646
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Foresight in general yes, but more acutely in his area(s) of expertise, much more so. But I don't expect the President to necessarily be an economic guru. My gut reaction to hearing about the bail out was "No effing way, not another one." But, after thinking about the ripple effect such a massive failure would have on the economy, you realize that despite your philosophical objections there really isn't another option. I mean, I watch Man Vs Wild all the time. The guy drinks his own urine in order to survive, but that doesn't mean that he can't bitch about the taste it leaves in his mouth.

That said, I understand McCain's initial reaction because I shared it. I would assume that one of his many advisers briefed him and gave him additional perspective therefore he changed his mind. The principles of "small government" do not condone buying up companies in the manner which we have recently seen. Any person that would be all about backing these big corporations with taxpayer money and not at least voice some apprehension would worry me. Again, nothing I'm saying is an attack on Obama, more of a general defense that no one person is going to automatically know the correct course of action. The willingness to listen and then have an informed opinion is of great benefit and one of the primary qualities I look for in a leader.

And regarding Hooskin's comment about "flip flopping," I thought that was the most ridiculous criticism made during the last election and I have not changed that opinion. The term literally gives me a migraine every time I hear/read it. I see nothing wrong with someone becoming more educated on a subject and changing their mind. I have a real hard time with someone so dedicated to dogma that they refuse to see the forest for the trees.
Listen bro, I don't want to bailout these companies but when I hear AIG, Merrill Lynch and Lehman Brothers are in deep trouble I know what's up and what has to be done! Why? Because I know what these companies do and the impact of their failure! I know that we aught to bail them even though I wish we didn't have to.

The moral of the story is know what the fuck you're talking about before you open your mouth. McCain opened his big mouth and left no doubt with respect to his foolishness. Finally, some folks should be going to jail for these colossal failures.
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Old 09-18-2008, 12:55 PM   #647
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Re: Update: McCain Selects Gov. Sarah Palin as Running Mate

Anyone check out her email?
Palin's Yahoo Account Hacked, Contents Leaked - Yahoo! News
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The personal e-mail account of Republican vice presidential hopeful Gov. Sarah Palin was hacked this week by an activist group known as 'anonymous', according to a Web site that publishes leaked documents alleging government and corporate misconduct.

Anonymous gained access to Palin's Yahoo e-mail address on Tuesday evening and gave the information to Wikileaks, according to the Web site. Data shared included screen shots of Palin's inbox, two e-mails, her address book and several family photos.
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Old 09-18-2008, 01:05 PM   #648
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Listen bro, I don't want to bailout these companies but when I hear AIG, Merrill Lynch and Lehman Brothers are in deep trouble I know what's up and what has to be done! Why? Because I know what these companies do and the impact of their failure! I know that we aught to bail them even though I wish we didn't have to.

The moral of the story is know what the fuck you're talking about before you open your mouth. McCain opened his big mouth and left no doubt with respect to his foolishness. Finally, some folks should be going to jail for these colossal failures.
That I can agree with. I still respect the candor with which the remarks were made and have no problem with taking umbrage with the idea of a bail out. I have no problem with anyone criticizing McCain's view point, but I don't see justification for going after someone changing their mind in order to make a correct decision.
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What a difference one day makes eh? This guys is not really bright is he? Or maybe he lacks foresight? Or maybe he just discovered compassion? Or maybe he tossed principles overboard?

I see you hold McCain to higher standars then you do Obama.
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I hope the people who hacked her account go to jail and I think the people who run that site should also face charges. This has nothing to do with who's account was hacked and I say the same if it was Obama, Biden or anyone who had their account hacked into.
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I hope the people who hacked her account go to jail and I think the people who run that site should also face charges. This has nothing to do with who's account was hacked and I say the same if it was Obama, Biden or anyone who had their account hacked into.
I agree regarding the hackers. For wikileak, though, they've already beat a court rap once, since they only host the files. I haven't formed an opinion on how they should be treated.
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I see you hold McCain to higher standars then you do Obama.
Everyone holds the other candidate to a higher standard than their own.
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I agree regarding the hackers. For wikileak, though, they've already beat a court rap once, since they only host the files. I haven't formed an opinion on how they should be treated.
I look at it as receiving and holding stolen property.
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I look at it as receiving and holding stolen property.
I think the question becomes, "Who owns the property?" I wouldn't say it's Palin in this case, but probably Yahoo. Either way, it's probably theft. Problem is, they most likely won't catch the guys who did it.
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I see you hold McCain to higher standars then you do Obama.
I see you're being vague. Care to elaborate?
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I think the question becomes, "Who owns the property?" I wouldn't say it's Palin in this case, but probably Yahoo. Either way, it's probably theft. Problem is, they most likely won't catch the guys who did it.
Well this could get pretty ugly before its all over as the AP is involved and refuses to hand over info to the FBI & secret Service. Here's a link.

FBI, Secret Service Investigate Hacking of Palin’s E-mail - America’s Election HQ
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Well this could get pretty ugly before its all over as the AP is involved and refuses to hand over info to the FBI & secret Service. Here's a link.

FBI, Secret Service Investigate Hacking of Palinís E-mail - Americaís Election HQ
They need to get a court order for the AP to hand them over. Sounds fair. What's really troubling though is the allegation that she conducted state business using a semi-private email account.
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Oh, Biden says "Be Patriotic and Pay More Taxes". This is just what I have thought of them all along. They are going to use the economy as a reason to keep lowering the income range to tax more people. I can hear it now from Obama if elected. I know I said I would only raise taxes on a small % of wealthy people in the US but things are even worse than we thought. We are going to have and lower the income level to ? so we can help the people of this great nation. So up goes my taxes agian (I pay more than my share) and I'm guessing he would go to around $75,000 income.
Biden: Wealthy Americans Must Pay More Taxes to Show Patriotism - America’s Election HQ
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The hand wringing and panic around all this is absurd. It's a rough time but if history is any teacher it will smooth out over the long run.

I find it laughable that apparently the same people that complain that Bush is a fascist want the government to step in and bail out every failing company that comes along. The government has its nose in too many things to begin with and a huge portion of the population just wants to give it more power - terrifying if you ask me.

Who is supposed to pay for this stuff? You whine about taxes being too high and then demand that the government fund every last social program and bail every struggling company out of its self-made quagmire. The money has to come from somewhere, unless you just want to print more and continue to devalue it.

Let the damn market work itself out, it always has and probably always will. In the meantime, quit watching every three point fluctuation and go read a history book.
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You mean this:



It's time to be patriotic? Help your fellow citizens? Help alleviate the financial troubles of your nation? Don't be the uninformed, unprincipled and useless Donald Trump? I would have went with "it's time to pay your share instead of gaming the system." As for you assertions that he's going to hike tax on those making 75K I say you have no basis whatsoever to come to such conclusion. Your gut feeling shouldn't supersede facts.
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