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Old 08-30-2008, 10:57 AM   #121
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According to the CIA the mean life expectancy for males is 75.29 years.
Don't forget to mention that the mean life expectancy for any male who lives to (at least) age 72 is much higher than that.

This is not a whole lot different from arguing that the mean football team finishes 8-8, so the 7-3 Colts have little chance at the playoffs.
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According to the CIA the mean life expectancy for males is 75.29 years. There's a good chance McCain might not make it through his first term. He has roughly 50/50 chance though his cancer complicates things. Oh never mind, I'm sure he has great genes and he'll get the best care money can buy to extend his life.
Poor math, Saden.

If you were asking what is the life expectancy of a male baby born today, the answer would be 75.29 years. But we're not, we're asking what is the life expectancy of a 72 year old who has a healthy heart, is not and has never been overweight, who eats healthily and gets exercise.

The life expectancy on a person with that profile is a lot higher than 75.29.

Life expectancy stats factor in the chances of someone being shot in the head, dying in a car accident, eating like crap and clogging their heart, drinking heavily, etcetera etcetera. Given that McCain does none of those things, those factors go out of the equation for him, and the LE number goes up.
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I'm not a hard line pro lifer in the slightest, but do explain why this is a "batshit crazy" position given the implication from the religious right that Abortion is a form of Murder.

Given that implication, the next step in logic tells us that two moral wrongs would not make a right.
Oh that explains it. She's a pro-life Christian so it's OK to have vulgar and unreasonable religious beliefs?

Two wrongs? What is wrong is imposing your religious beliefs on others through legislative means.
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Old 08-30-2008, 11:23 AM   #124
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Don't forget to mention that the mean life expectancy for any male who lives to (at least) age 72 is much higher than that.

This is not a whole lot different from arguing that the mean football team finishes 8-8, so the 7-3 Colts have little chance at the playoffs.
McCain is the Colts? Couldn't he be the 6-3 Lions or 10-6 Browns?
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Poor math, Saden.

If you were asking what is the life expectancy of a male baby born today, the answer would be 75.29 years. But we're not, we're asking what is the life expectancy of a 72 year old who has a healthy heart, is not and has never been overweight, who eats healthily and gets exercise.

The life expectancy on a person with that profile is a lot higher than 75.29.

Life expectancy stats factor in the chances of someone being shot in the head, dying in a car accident, eating like crap and clogging their heart, drinking heavily, etcetera etcetera. Given that McCain does none of those things, those factors go out of the equation for him, and the LE number goes up.
I am wrong in my assessment. He he has better chance of making it out of his first term than I gave him credit.
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Oh that explains it. She's a pro-life Christian so it's OK to have vulgar and unreasonable religious beliefs?

Two wrongs? What is wrong is imposing your religious beliefs on others through legislative means.
What's vulgar and unreasonable to you could be simple common sense to someone else, and to argue that your position should be considered the higher authority in all disagreements is beyond ignorant, it would be arrogant and utterly pathetic.

Which is why, to avoid such a situation, I feel you would be wise to master the skill of arguing based on implications. If the implication is "abortion=murder" (which is something I don't even necessarily agree with, but a lot of very intelligent people do), then you can't act like the people who believe this are inherently wrong. To do so would be batshit crazy.
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What's vulgar and unreasonable to you could be simple common sense to someone else, and to argue that your position should be considered the higher authority in all disagreements is beyond ignorant, it would be arrogant and utterly pathetic.

Which is why, to avoid such a situation, I feel you would be wise to master the skill of arguing based on implications. If the implication is "abortion=murder" (which is something I don't even necessarily agree with, but a lot of very intelligent people do), then you can't act like the people who believe this are inherently wrong. To do so would be batshit crazy.
I'm sharing my views. I know where pro-lifers stand and they know where I stand. What are you expecting from me? I'm I suppose to agree with them, understand their position, reason with them? I'm tired of their stupidness and I won't tolerate it. There's no middle ground when it comes to abortion in the case rape/incests. None whatsoever!
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What's vulgar and unreasonable to you could be simple common sense to someone else, and to argue that your position should be considered the higher authority in all disagreements is beyond ignorant, it would be arrogant and utterly pathetic.

Which is why, to avoid such a situation, I feel you would be wise to master the skill of arguing based on implications. If the implication is "abortion=murder" (which is something I don't even necessarily agree with, but a lot of very intelligent people do), then you can't act like the people who believe this are inherently wrong. To do so would be batshit crazy.
Great post.
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I'm sharing my views. I know where pro-lifers stand and they know where I stand. What are you expecting from me? I'm I suppose to agree with them, understand their position, reason with them? I'm tired of their stupidness and I won't tolerate it. There's no middle ground when it comes to abortion in the case rape/incests. None whatsoever!
Yeah, those damn stupid, batshit crazy, pro-lifers, there's no reasoning with or understanding them. But we should negotiate unconditionally with a head of state that advocates "wiping another country off the face of the earth" (Ahmadenijad sp. / Israel). Iran's really a small country anyway and poses no real threats.....

I find it very strange that many (not all) on the far left in this country hate those on the right more than evil and brutal people who would commit mass genocide if they had the ability to do so. And it's normally those on the right who advocate a strong U.S. military which keeps people like Ahmadenijad in check.

I also wonder if you believe there's any middle ground on the partial birth abortion issue.
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Yeah, those damn stupid, batshit crazy, pro-lifers, there's no reasoning with or understanding them. But we should negotiate unconditionally with a head of state that advocates "wiping another country off the face of the earth" (Ahmadenijad sp. / Israel). Iran's really a small country anyway and poses no real threats.....

I find it very strange that many (not all) on the far left in this country hate those on the right more than evil and brutal people who would commit mass genocide if they had the ability to do so. And it's normally those on the right who advocate a strong U.S. military which keeps people like Ahmadenijad in check.

I also wonder if you believe there's any middle ground on the partial birth abortion issue.
What are you saying, since I don't like them and I disagree with them I should be able to go out there and shoot them in the face? Bomb them to submission? What is there to negotiate? At least with respect to Iran there room for negotiation. With Iran I can negotiate with them by offering to help them build clean energy power plants in return for giving up nuclear aspiration. Hell, I can even offer to build and maintain their nuclear plants. What do I have to offer pro-lifers? Make abortion illegal in odd years?

My stance on partial birth abortion is very clear (SGG's What's Your Issue Poll).
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The horndog vote huh. That's really something to strive for. But then again I'm sure it will work especially for those southern repub bubbas
Careful Matty, your democrat is showing. I always find it ironic that libs call us "southern repub bubbas". Or even worse: racist, sexist, fearmonger, homophob, etc. I think that those labels apply to dems too. But, I refuse to call names, because that was the way I was raised.

I just wish people would judge content of character, and not predetermined stereotypes, and skin color. Isn't that what MLKjr. talked about in his "I have a dream speech"?

My politics are formed by some basic principles and beliefs. I support those who hold those same ideas as me regardless of race and gender.

I'm pretty sure that Republicans who feel that our country is something to be proud of, and is not a hateful or a mean place to be. Why would so many people from so many different countries want to emigrate here and proudly be called American citizens? Now I'm not saying that this country is perfect, but compared to the rest of the world, this is where life is good, and if you work hard your dreams can become a reality. I have been over-seas and have experienced different cultures, so I do have something to compare to. There is no other country that is as diverse as ours. And there is a reason for that.

What I have against the Obamas is this: His associations with America hating people that he sorrounds himself with (Rev. Wright, William Ayers, to name a few). And how he intends to govern. He wants to redistribute the wealth of our great nation. The last time I checked, this is a capitalist nation where if you work hard, your dreams can become true. I think that if this government starts handing out checks on the 1st and 15th to people who aren't as ambitious as those who want to go out and earn a descent and honest living will ultimately doom us as a great nation.

Maybe I have a little too much appreciation for this country and the things that it stands for. It just pisses me off to hear people talk down about this country and try to tear it down like it's broken or something. We need change, change to what? Socialism? I don't know what he wants to change or have hope for, because he really hasn't specified.

Now to talk about the thread title, do I think that McCain's choice is political? You bet. I'm very certain that he is trying to get the Hillary cast-offs. But, I judge this pick as a solid choice for several reasons. If you just take a look and compare the accomplishments of Palin to Obama. I think you will see that she has done more for her constituents in deeds than rehtoric. You can disagree with her politics, but don't discredit what she has done in politics. Oh, and Matty, Palin is way hotter than Michell Obama. As we say down here "git-r-done McCain"!
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I'm sharing my views. I know where pro-lifers stand and they know where I stand. What are you expecting from me? I'm I suppose to agree with them, understand their position, reason with them? I'm tired of their stupidness and I won't tolerate it. There's no middle ground when it comes to abortion in the case rape/incests. None whatsoever!
Yeah, well, consider this the reason I responded to you in an issue I don't feel particularly strongly on.

What I'm not telling you is this: don't share your views. I do think your extreme liberal views contribute a viewpoint to the Parking Lot that improves the overall quality of the discussion.

What I am telling you is: don't be so goddamn arrogant on moral issues. The other side isn't always retarded. In fact, some of them can make rather intelligent arguments. If your only goal in stating your opinion is to try to irritate people who feel strongly the other way...then I really wish you would take it somewhere else. I don't understand the "I'm not going to take it anymore" crap. Where have you been wronged?
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Careful Matty, your democrat is showing. I always find it ironic that libs call us "southern repub bubbas". Or even worse: racist, sexist, fearmonger, homophob, etc. I think that those labels apply to dems too. But, I refuse to call names, because that was the way I was raised.

I just wish people would judge content of character, and not predetermined stereotypes, and skin color. Isn't that what MLKjr. talked about in his "I have a dream speech"?

My politics are formed by some basic principles and beliefs. I support those who hold those same ideas as me regardless of race and gender.

I'm pretty sure that Republicans who feel that our country is something to be proud of, and is not a hateful or a mean place to be. Why would so many people from so many different countries want to emigrate here and proudly be called American citizens? Now I'm not saying that this country is perfect, but compared to the rest of the world, this is where life is good, and if you work hard your dreams can become a reality. I have been over-seas and have experienced different cultures, so I do have something to compare to. There is no other country that is as diverse as ours. And there is a reason for that.

What I have against the Obamas is this: His associations with America hating people that he sorrounds himself with (Rev. Wright, William Ayers, to name a few). And how he intends to govern. He wants to redistribute the wealth of our great nation. The last time I checked, this is a capitalist nation where if you work hard, your dreams can become true. I think that if this government starts handing out checks on the 1st and 15th to people who aren't as ambitious as those who want to go out and earn a descent and honest living will ultimately doom us as a great nation.

Maybe I have a little too much appreciation for this country and the things that it stands for. It just pisses me off to hear people talk down about this country and try to tear it down like it's broken or something. We need change, change to what? Socialism? I don't know what he wants to change or have hope for, because he really hasn't specified.

Now to talk about the thread title, do I think that McCain's choice is political? You bet. I'm very certain that he is trying to get the Hillary cast-offs. But, I judge this pick as a solid choice for several reasons. If you just take a look and compare the accomplishments of Palin to Obama. I think you will see that she has done more for her constituents in deeds than rehtoric. You can disagree with her politics, but don't discredit what she has done in politics. Oh, and Matty, Palin is way hotter than Michell Obama. As we say down here "git-r-done McCain"!
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At least with respect to Iran there room for negotiation. With Iran I can negotiate with them by offering to help them build clean energy power plants in return for giving up nuclear aspiration. Hell, I can even offer to build and maintain their nuclear plants.
What has our 'negotiation' gained so far? We give, they take. Soon they will have secured billions in Jizya, further funding a bloated elite ruling system and kept their poor marginalized and ignorant.

You cannot and should not negotiate with a Theocracy, it's clearly idiotic.

Cut them off from the rest of civilization. Their people will revolt due to ethnic divide and their current 'Hate the West, just ignore the Ayatollah behind the curtain' bullshit will bring them down.

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Careful Matty, your democrat is showing. I always find it ironic that libs call us "southern repub bubbas". Or even worse: racist, sexist, fearmonger, homophob, etc. I think that those labels apply to dems too. But, I refuse to call names, because that was the way I was raised.

I just wish people would judge content of character, and not predetermined stereotypes, and skin color. Isn't that what MLKjr. talked about in his "I have a dream speech"?

My politics are formed by some basic principles and beliefs. I support those who hold those same ideas as me regardless of race and gender.

I'm pretty sure that Republicans who feel that our country is something to be proud of, and is not a hateful or a mean place to be. Why would so many people from so many different countries want to emigrate here and proudly be called American citizens? Now I'm not saying that this country is perfect, but compared to the rest of the world, this is where life is good, and if you work hard your dreams can become a reality. I have been over-seas and have experienced different cultures, so I do have something to compare to. There is no other country that is as diverse as ours. And there is a reason for that.

What I have against the Obamas is this: His associations with America hating people that he sorrounds himself with (Rev. Wright, William Ayers, to name a few). And how he intends to govern. He wants to redistribute the wealth of our great nation. The last time I checked, this is a capitalist nation where if you work hard, your dreams can become true. I think that if this government starts handing out checks on the 1st and 15th to people who aren't as ambitious as those who want to go out and earn a descent and honest living will ultimately doom us as a great nation.

Maybe I have a little too much appreciation for this country and the things that it stands for. It just pisses me off to hear people talk down about this country and try to tear it down like it's broken or something. We need change, change to what? Socialism? I don't know what he wants to change or have hope for, because he really hasn't specified.

Now to talk about the thread title, do I think that McCain's choice is political? You bet. I'm very certain that he is trying to get the Hillary cast-offs. But, I judge this pick as a solid choice for several reasons. If you just take a look and compare the accomplishments of Palin to Obama. I think you will see that she has done more for her constituents in deeds than rehtoric. You can disagree with her politics, but don't discredit what she has done in politics. Oh, and Matty, Palin is way hotter than Michell Obama. As we say down here "git-r-done McCain"!
There is possibly no way -- no way -- you can compare Palin's accomplishments to Obama's. He spent eight years in the U.S. Senate, a district nearly twenty times as big as the city Palin mayored. But beyond whatever resume points and experience arguments we can make, the real point is this. Obama has made his case, laid out his vision and plans for the country, participated in over twenty debates, and has been thoroughly vetted for the past nineteen months before the American people. Eighteen million of them, by the way, felt he had the goods. And we won't mention the incredible campaign he has run.I will give you, however, that Palin is hotter than Michelle
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