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Old 09-11-2008, 02:07 PM   #61
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It's naive and dishonest to assert that unless something comes from Obama it doesn't matter. Each side is now a massive political machine involving thousands of people who constantly work to discredit the other side. Most of these people can't even be controlled by the party leaders in any real way.

Bloggers sit behind a computer and throw bombs all day long. Think Obama or McCain can stop it? I doubt it.

Every major politician has at least 4 or 5 senior advisors. Think those people just fall in line when a party leader says to do something? No. They are looking out for their own ass first then thier boss's and then maybe the party.

All this crap has to end up in someone's lap. That's why even though Obama hasn't been the one out there throwing bombs about Palin it ends in his lap. Same for McCain.
Excellent points all around.

It really serves to highlight that, when all is said and done, all the anger, vitriol and hate is directed at one guy who's probably not really responsible for it anyway.

It's a widespread system or machine, not one lone guy. That's why I maintain that the best thing for this country to do as a whole is put a lot more focus on the legislative and judicial branches than the executive branch.

The executive branch so often gets reduced and simplified to one man. This country is about a LOT more than one guy sitting in the Oval Office.
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Old 09-11-2008, 02:10 PM   #62
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Right.

Meanwhile the right is having a cow over the lipstick on a pig comment.
And "the left" didn't have a field day with Obama been caricaturized as a muslim?

I'm highly suspicious when anyone has blind faith in the right OR the left. The hypocrisy and immaturity on both sides seems so blatant to me, I don't see how anyone can stick their neck out and not see the massive flaws in both.
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Excellent points all around.

It really serves to highlight that, when all is said and done, all the anger, vitriol and hate is directed at one guy who's probably not really responsible for it anyway.

It's a widespread system or machine, not one lone guy. That's why I maintain that the best thing for this country to do as a whole is put a lot more focus on the legislative and judicial branches than the executive branch.

The executive branch so often gets reduced and simplified to one man. This country is about a LOT more than one guy sitting in the Oval Office.

Yup it is so true! We are not electing the king of England here. There are many other moving parts, people just get so stuck on one person to blame or praise.
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Old 09-11-2008, 02:20 PM   #64
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Silly Warpathers!

Politics is almost NEVER about issues! It's about picking a candidate that makes you feel good and then bickering about the other candidate!

It's how we end up with really intelligent arguments like:

"Obama called Palin a pig with lipstick!"

"Bush looks kind of like a monkey...let's refer to him as 'Commander-in-Chimp'"

"Obama called McCain an old dead fish!"

"Obama's middle name is Hussein, same as Saddam's last name...see the connection?!"

Politics is largely about ignorant people holding a position they don't understand and attempting to argue for it and against anything else. The general public is so ignorant about everything from economics to history to science to philosophy that the argument turns into name calling and funny pictures.

I don't care if you're an evangelical or arguing for socialized health care, most people flat out don't understand the issues. The media (CNN, Fox, take your pick) has to have SOMEthing to talk about all day long, and this kind of immature bickering really appeals to the masses.

I agree!

I can honestly say I am an amatuer when it comes to politics/goverment and the real issues. I think most people are.

My mom for example is a Dem. and every day that I go to visit her she is using whatever buzz word of the day is on CNN. IF I hear her say one more time the Rep. really pulled a "wildcard" on us, I am going to scream.
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Old 09-11-2008, 02:20 PM   #65
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Yup it is so true! We are not electing the king of England here. There are many other moving parts, people just get so stuck on one person to blame or praise.
It's the same reason everyone bitches about the QB on a football team: it's just easier to pin all the blame on one guy and ignore the far more complex issues within the entire system.

Bush bad...Obama muslim...McCain old...

Sounds like a bunch of idiot cavemen wandering around moaning the party mantra.
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And "the left" didn't have a field day with Obama been caricaturized as a muslim?

I'm highly suspicious when anyone has blind faith in the right OR the left. The hypocrisy and immaturity on both sides seems so blatant to me, I don't see how anyone can stick their neck out and not see the massive flaws in both.
Don't get me wrong I do see both sides and I know there isn't one side more guilty than the other.
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Don't get me wrong I do see both sides and I know there isn't one side more guilty than the other.
And I wasn't really intending to call you out, that was more of a general musing.

It's the zealots who can't for one second imagine the perspective of the other side that drive me up the wall.
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And I wasn't really intending to call you out, that was more of a general musing.

It's the zealots who can't for one second imagine the perspective of the other side that drive me up the wall.
I hear ya I didn't take it that way, I just wanted to toss that out there.

The zealots are what's wrong with politics.
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Do you know who Oreilly is voting for? If so how?
Your not serious are you? I mean he hasnt came out and said it, but neither has Sarah Palin.
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Should we even care how they vote?
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Old 09-11-2008, 04:09 PM   #71
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I was making a point that he does not hide his political views so we know where he is coming from. Could anyone tell me who the News Anchors for ABC, CBS, CNN or NBC are going to vote for? If so how do you know?
Most media types are registered as Independents and they usually keep their voting records out of public view for obvious reasons.

Except for the usual suspects on the late night cable circuit, I would imagine most of them have voted both ways over the course of their careers.
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Excellent points all around.

It really serves to highlight that, when all is said and done, all the anger, vitriol and hate is directed at one guy who's probably not really responsible for it anyway.

It's a widespread system or machine, not one lone guy. That's why I maintain that the best thing for this country to do as a whole is put a lot more focus on the legislative and judicial branches than the executive branch.

The executive branch so often gets reduced and simplified to one man. This country is about a LOT more than one guy sitting in the Oval Office.
Best. Political. Post. Ever.

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Old 09-11-2008, 09:38 PM   #73
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I think we ought to form our own party. Include everyone. saden, dmek, hog, SS,matty. Get a nice balance of opinion. Why the hell can't this country have a party like that? Are most humans so unable to work with others and discuss issues and come to compromise?
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I think we ought to form our own party. Include everyone. saden, dmek, hog, SS,matty. Get a nice balance of opinion. Why the hell can't this country have a party like that? Are most humans so unable to work with others and discuss issues and come to compromise?
When it comes to politics, race and religion: Yes.
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I think we ought to form our own party. Include everyone. saden, dmek, hog, SS,matty. Get a nice balance of opinion. Why the hell can't this country have a party like that? Are most humans so unable to work with others and discuss issues and come to compromise?
Works for me. I've done my time in public service-student council representative, class treasurer, class president and my current position of moderator. I've got more experience than all the candidates combined!
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