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View Poll Results: If the election was held today who would you vote for?
McCain 24 44.44%
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Old 09-11-2008, 04:23 PM   #61
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I don't think there's any reason to believe that voters on either side won't turn out. The electorate has never been more energized. The Dems had record turnouts in nearly every Primary contest, and I think it will continue during the General.

I must say, Palin has energized the GOP base in a way that no one -- and I mean no one could have possibly imagined. And I think they will see a record turnout on their side as well.
I agree, I think the primary was a preview of what's going to happen in November, and don't forget about how the Dems swept the 2006 general elections, I think that was quite the statement as well. But until November rolls around I'm cautiously optimistic.
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Old 09-11-2008, 04:42 PM   #62
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It's a good question and I really hope that young voters get out there and vote. Clinton the first time around did a great job at capturing the young vote and it paid off at the polls. I see a lot of similarities between '92 and today.
I heard this on Fox radio yesterday, don't remember the source. Of new voters, those registered within the last 2 years were split 47% Obama / 44% McCain. I would've expected a bigger advantage to Obama here. Normally new voters are younger and lean more Dem. (They usually wisen up once they get decent paying jobs and look at their taxes)
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Old 09-11-2008, 04:44 PM   #63
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Oh really? Here I was thinking the only people that have America's best interest at heart are Republicans and the Republican party.
Funny, I was thinking the same thing.
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Old 09-11-2008, 05:45 PM   #64
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Normally new voters are younger and lean more Dem. (They usually wisen up once they get decent paying jobs and look at their taxes)
Most decent paying jobs are under 100 grand, and Obama is lowering taxes for most Americans. More than McCain. Obama is raising taxes for the super rich, over 600k.

Obama and McCain Tax Proposals - washingtonpost.com
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Old 09-11-2008, 06:01 PM   #65
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Now if we ever get our shit together and institute online voting, then you'll see much improved turnout.
It's hard to believe this could ever get passed because the Republicans would be so opposed to it.

And yes, if online voting got passed, I would totally take advantage of it, but it would be a huge disadvantage for the Republicans, and there's that part of me that still thinks that people too lazy to get to a polling place during voting hours probably shouldn't be allowed to have a vote counted.
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Old 09-11-2008, 06:35 PM   #66
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It's unnatural that McCain even gets that many votes.
I'm actually happy to see as many votes as there is for McCain. We all know the DC area is mainly dems...so mccain to be making this good a showing, that's a good sign for the election. (of course I understand this is a world wide website, but we all know the majority of people live in or around the DC area.)
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Old 09-11-2008, 07:32 PM   #67
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I'm voting against Saden.
Not to worry First, I took the bullet for you and "canceled out" Saden.
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Old 09-11-2008, 08:45 PM   #68
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You can't cancel out a baller, you can only hope to contain him.
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Old 09-11-2008, 10:56 PM   #69
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B) Obama is really a closet Redskins fan. He especially envies Clinton Portis' cool pressers. So a Warpath chat is likely
C) Naw, you guys can keep calling me 12th. Everybody except 70Chip, of course.

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Old 09-12-2008, 07:12 AM   #70
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But we're likely to have a Democratic congress, no? So should we then have a Republican President?
Statistically a Dem pres is always best for the economy. I just threw that out ther so that you guys know what to do during the elections 2 years from now, (Put some Reps. in Congress!) But you are correct in your thinking. You want a Dem Congress if you have a Rep President.
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In no way am I claiming that this information is mine or that I know the original sender. My mother forewarded this to me earlier today and I believe that it provides a simple explanation on each candidates views. Of coarse you have to dig deeper into each issue to get a full understaning of why each candidate supports or opposes a certain issue. Some issues are not as simple as yes or no answers, but this email makes is seem like there are.


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This came to me from a lengthy list of emails. Please pass it along to anyone you think may be interested in our future.

2008 PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE COMPARISON TALKING POINTS
ISSUE JOHN McCAIN
BARAK OBAMA

Favors new drilling offshore US
Yes
No

Will appoint judges who interpret the law not make it
Yes
No


Served in the US Armed Forces
Yes
No

Amount of time served in the US Senate
22 YEARS
173 DAYS

Will institute a socialized national health care plan
No
Yes

Supports abortion throughout the pregnancy
No
Yes

Would pull troops out of Iraq immediately
No
Yes

Supports gun ownership rights
Yes
No

Supports homosexual marriage
No
Yes

Proposed programs will mean a huge tax increase
No
Yes

Voted against making English the official language
No
Yes

Voted to give Social Security benefits to illegals
No
Yes

CAPITAL GAINS TAX

MCCAIN
0% on home sales up to $500,000 per home (couples). McCain does not propose any change in existing home sales income tax.

OBAMA
28% on profit from ALL home sales. (How does this affect you? If you sell your home and make a profit, you will pay 28% of your gain on taxes. If you are heading toward retirement and would like to down-size your home or move into a retirement community, 28% of the money you make from your home will go to taxes. This proposal will adversely affect the elderly who are counting on the income from their homes as part of their retirement income.)

DIVIDEND TAX

MCCAIN
15% (no change)

OBAMA
39.6% - (How will this affect you? If you have any money invested in stock market, IRA, mutual funds, college funds, life insurance, retirement accounts, or anything that pays or reinvests dividends, you will now be paying nearly 40% of the money earned on taxes if Obama becomes president. The experts predict that 'Higher tax rates on dividends and capital gains would crash the stock market, yet do absolutely nothing to cut the deficit.')

INCOME TAX

MCCAIN
(no changes)
Single making 30K - tax $4,500
Single making 50K - tax $12,500
Single making 75K - tax $18,750
Married making 60K- tax $9,000
Married making 75K - tax $18,750
Married making 125K - tax $31,250

OBAMA (reversion to pre-Bush tax cuts)
Single making 30K - tax $8,400
Single making 50K - tax $14,000
Single making 75K - tax $23,250
Married making 60K - tax $16,800
Married making 75K - tax $21,000
Married making 125K - tax $38,750
Under Obama, your taxes could almost double!

INHERITANCE TAX

MCCAIN
- 0% (No change, Bush repealed this tax)

OBAMA
Restore the inheritance tax

Many families have lost businesses, farms, ranches, and homes that have been in their families for generations because they could not afford the inheritance tax. Those willing their assets to loved ones will only lose them to these taxes.

NEW TAXES PROPOSED BY OBAMA

New government taxes proposed on homes that are more than 2400 square feet. New gasoline taxes (as if gas weren't high enough already) New taxes on natural resources consumption (heating gas, water, electricity) New taxes on retirement accounts, and last but not least....New taxes to pay for socialized medicine so we can receive the same level of medical care as other third-world countries!!!







You can verify the above at the following web sites:


Election 2008: The candidates and your money - CNNMoney

Taxes: Election Center 2008 - CNN.com

RAW DATA: Fred Thompson’s Remarks at GOP Convention - America’s Election HQ

McCain, Obama Offer Different Visions on Taxes

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Old 09-12-2008, 11:30 AM   #72
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They lost me at:

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They lost me at:
Like I said, I didn't write it nor do I know the original sender. If you will look you will notice that McCain's answers are on top and Obamma's are on bottom.

I dont fully understand the Judge thing either, nor do I really care. Correct me if I should.
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Old 09-12-2008, 11:41 AM   #74
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McCain.

- Obama's healthcare plan, while noble, has no chance of getting put in place. Sometimes reality has to trump vision.

- Obama's platform for bringing the troops home from Iraq now is kind of losing steam, given that Bush and Petraeus have started setting the stage for pulling troops out.

- I'd rather have McCain in charge of our military than Obama.

- I'm in danger of getting hit by the alternative minimum tax sometime within this upcoming presidential term, and McCain is the only one suggesting we do away with it. That will mean a difference of several thousand bucks a year for me and my family. And yes, at least a portion of everyone's vote is selfish!

- Alternative energy is great and should be pursued, but I see no reason why we shouldn't use our own petroleum resources immediately. Drilling now makes sense, in conjunction with the search for other energy sources. It's not like drilling precludes us from also investing in other sources.

- McCain's economic and tax ideas make more sense. History shows tax revenue collected by the federal government is generally higher when policies similar to McCain's are put in place.

- Obama wants to stop jobs from being shifted overseas, yet he wants to raise taxes on businesses. Um, hello. The reason companies ship the jobs overseas in the first place is because the labor costs are way cheaper. If you increase taxes on them here in this country you're just adding more weight to that burden. You're actually incenting them to headquarter themselves elsewhere.
Basically my feelings in a nutshell as well.

I'm no fan of McCain and I have my issues with him. My vote for him, however, is more a case of "choosing the lesser of two evils." Which is what I did last election. And the one before that. In fact I can't remember a candidate that I truly, genuinely supported as much as I just didn't like the other guy.

I guess I vote out of spite
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Old 09-12-2008, 11:42 AM   #75
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I wonder if the imbeciles even know what the word judge means. What it means to be a judge. They would have been better served to just say "wants to appoint anti-abortion conservative judges."

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v., judged, judg·ing, judg·es.

v.tr.

1. To form an opinion or estimation of after careful consideration: judge heights; judging character.
2.
1. Law. To hear and decide on in a court of law; try: judge a case.
2. Obsolete. To pass sentence on; condemn.
3. To act as one appointed to decide the winners of: judge an essay contest.
3. To determine or declare after consideration or deliberation.
4. Informal. To have as an opinion or assumption; suppose: I judge you're right.
5. Bible. To govern; rule. Used of an ancient Israelite leader.

v.intr.

1. To form an opinion or evaluation.
2. To act or decide as a judge.

n.

1. One who judges, especially:
1. One who makes estimates as to worth, quality, or fitness: a good judge of used cars; a poor judge of character.
2. (Abbr. J.) Law. A public official who hears and decides cases brought before a court of law.
3. Law. A bankruptcy referee.
4. One appointed to decide the winners of a contest or competition.
2. Bible.
1. A leader of the Israelites during a period of about 400 years between the death of Joshua and the accession of Saul.
2. Judges (used with a sing. verb) (Abbr. Judg. or Jgs or Jg) A book of the Bible.
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