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Old 09-17-2008, 03:26 PM   #16
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My money is on the lack of oil and/or oil changes.
If it is not a valve lash issue, then I am in your camp.

Honda engines usually don't break down with so few miles without some sort mistreatment.
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Old 09-17-2008, 03:30 PM   #17
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I would immediately remove the car from his care and take it to another technician. Take it to a dealer and have them give an etimate with NO WORK authorized and then to a reputable service shop. A new motor should cost half what you were quoted, and that's with labor included. That would lead me to believe that you are getting hosed, that the guy either has no idea what's wrong, or is trying to get you to replace his gambling debts in exchange for a 11 dollar motor mount.
Exactly what I thought.

Engine is falling apart internally? What the hell is that supposed to mean? That made me laugh. Sounds like bullshit to me.
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Old 09-17-2008, 03:45 PM   #18
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Yeah at 68K you don't typically see a motor "breaking down". With that amount of miles the motor is either fine or it fails catastophically. Not a slow deterioration, which sounds like what this joker is purporting. Of course this is usually the case. Exceptions can occur. I'd be very dubious that your engine needs to be replaced though. Extremely dubious.
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Yeah at 68K you don't typically see a motor "breaking down". With that amount of miles the motor is either fine or it fails catastophically. Not a slow deterioration, which sounds like what this joker is purporting. Of course this is usually the case. Exceptions can occur. I'd be very dubious that your engine needs to be replaced though. Extremely dubious.

You do if it is a FORD.

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You do if it is a FORD.

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On my second Ford Explorer.

1st went 189,000 replaced the trans around 140,000 and it was running fine when sold.
2nd I still own and is at 210,780 and still has original trans and eng. no major problems. Both also have/ had allot of miles towing a boat and running on the beach.
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If a timing belt needs to be adjusted, it's too late, damage has occurred.

Honda used to recommend timing belt changes at 90k miles, but have since switched to 110k mile intervals. I don't know where a 2002 falls, but either way, it should be fine as its only 7 years old at the oldest.

Valve lash frequently needs to be adjusted, though. This is an easy job just requiring the removal of the valve cover and a few minutes with a feeler gauge. A timing belt replacement is more involved. Probably about 4 hours of labor on that car. You should get the tensioner, water pump, and any and all seals that live behind the cam cover replaced while the work is being done. A timing belt replacement will probably be atleast $500 on the car being discussed.
I think you're about right.

The dude called and said its NOT the entire engine but a PIECE of the engine that was defective in the first place. He called while I was in class and talked to my grandmother (Who is 89 and really doesnt understand the first thing about cars) and she can't remember wtf he said but describes it as "an engine pulley thing".

The piece costs $6500 but due to the fact that they realized it was defective from the get go, we won't have to pay nearly that much.

Thanks for your help guys.
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I think you're about right.

The dude called and said its NOT the entire engine but a PIECE of the engine that was defective in the first place. He called while I was in class and talked to my grandmother (Who is 89 and really doesnt understand the first thing about cars) and she can't remember wtf he said but describes it as "an engine pulley thing".

The piece costs $6500 but due to the fact that they realized it was defective from the get go, we won't have to pay nearly that much.

Thanks for your help guys.
Hold on. What do you mean it was an engine pulley thing and it does cost $6,500 but they will do it for less. That sounds now like "Bait and Switch". Get a second opinion on what ever it is unless they are now saying this part is only $100.00. They had you thinking $6,500 but now they can do it for like half is that how the story is going. So now your think WOW, its only $3,250 and not $6,500 so yea go ahead and fix it.
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Hold on. What do you mean it was an engine pulley thing and it does cost $6,500 but they will do it for less. That sounds now like "Bait and Switch". Get a second opinion on what ever it is unless they are now saying this part is only $100.00. They had you thinking $6,500 but now they can do it for like half is that how the story is going. So now your think WOW, its only $3,250 and not $6,500 so yea go ahead and fix it.
My grandmother refuses to take it anywhere else since we've been using this Honda Dealership for years now. She trusts them too much and even if they quote $3250, she'll find someway to get it for cheaper.
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On my second Ford Explorer.

1st went 189,000 replaced the trans around 140,000 and it was running fine when sold.
2nd I still own and is at 210,780 and still has original trans and eng. no major problems. Both also have/ had allot of miles towing a boat and running on the beach.

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Consider yourself lucky. Ford Exploder
Everyone I know that owned an explorer or Ford have have been happy with their cars or SUV's. Maybe we have all been lucky but I'd buy another one.
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My grandmother refuses to take it anywhere else since we've been using this Honda Dealership for years now. She trusts them too much and even if they quote $3250, she'll find someway to get it for cheaper.
My grandmother use to take her car to the Buick dealer ship and they would hit her up for ever service they could because she was an easy sale. Finaly I but my foot down and made her switch to a local mom & pop repair shop that would fix just what was needed and did not treat her like a bank. She also trusted Buick dealer but after some time of taking her car to the mom & pop place she realized you could get your oil changed & air filter changed without all the other stuff and a $500.00 bill. Maybe its time you put down your foot and just take the car for a second opinion. My grandmother was a tough lady but she trusted people too much and it cost her money. The dealer might be correct but the whole start of this thread and the $6,500 dollar motor tells me something is wrong and now its a pully that cost 6,500 but they are giving you a deal. It just seem fishy.
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my fords ran 250k, sold fine, 180k, sold fine, 150k, sold fine, current is at 80k.

no issues with any of them.
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Old 09-17-2008, 06:07 PM   #28
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My grandmother use to take her car to the Buick dealer ship and they would hit her up for ever service they could because she was an easy sale. Finaly I but my foot down and made her switch to a local mom & pop repair shop that would fix just what was needed and did not treat her like a bank. She also trusted Buick dealer but after some time of taking her car to the mom & pop place she realized you could get your oil changed & air filter changed without all the other stuff and a $500.00 bill. Maybe its time you put down your foot and just take the car for a second opinion. My grandmother was a tough lady but she trusted people too much and it cost her money. The dealer might be correct but the whole start of this thread and the $6,500 dollar motor tells me something is wrong and now its a pully that cost 6,500 but they are giving you a deal. It just seem fishy.
Totally understand where you're coming from.

Will do the best I can. Thanks.
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I think you're about right.

The dude called and said its NOT the entire engine but a PIECE of the engine that was defective in the first place. He called while I was in class and talked to my grandmother (Who is 89 and really doesnt understand the first thing about cars) and she can't remember wtf he said but describes it as "an engine pulley thing".

The piece costs $6500 but due to the fact that they realized it was defective from the get go, we won't have to pay nearly that much.

Thanks for your help guys.
If it was defective from the get-go, why should you have to pay anything?

Also, how can a piece of the engine cost $6500, when the entire engine doesn't cost that much?

Something doesn't add up...
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Old 09-18-2008, 06:38 AM   #30
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Call your local Better Business Bureau and see if they have any bad history. I'd still want a second opinion as what you've been told so far sounds like an utter crock.
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