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Old 10-11-2008, 09:54 AM   #16
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I find it strange that so many people who decry Obama being painted as an Arab, a terrorist, various racial slurs, have no issue at all with McCain/Republicans having just as wide a brush used on them. I'm registered Republican so of course I must be one or preferrably all of the following: Racist, Redneck and/or Retarded.
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Old 10-11-2008, 10:02 AM   #17
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I find it strange that so many people who decry Obama being painted as an Arab, a terrorist, various racial slurs, have no issue at all with McCain/Republicans having just as wide a brush used on them. I'm registered Republican so of course I must be one or preferrably all of the following: Racist, Redneck and/or Retarded.
They made the canvas and the paint available and gave us the brush to paint with. For what it's worth I don't think you're racist, retarded or a redneck, but I can't vouch for the Republican Party.
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Old 10-11-2008, 10:58 AM   #18
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Obama was booed by a crowd yesterday for merely acknowledging that McCain tried to correct the dumb statements that woman made. That's further proof that 50% of people lost 90% of their brains when they commit themselves to a political party.
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I find it strange that so many people who decry Obama being painted as an Arab, a terrorist, various racial slurs, have no issue at all with McCain/Republicans having just as wide a brush used on them. I'm registered Republican so of course I must be one or preferrably all of the following: Racist, Redneck and/or Retarded.
yeah i'm a redneck evangelical hunter of "baby killers" who deports gays on the side. but hey it's ok because I apparently provided the paint and the brush. never mind that I am actually of mixed heritage for gun control and lean republican for reasons that have nothing to do with whether offiss and kidwell want to tie the knot. there are idiots on both sides, but that should not define the two parties or the people that vote for them.
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You're more than welcome to paint a self portrait.
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I don't even know what the point of that link was, but whatever.
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This is just the chickens coming home to roost. They've gone very negative and they use a townhall style format. I am relieved that McCain said what he did (shades of the old John!), but the campaign has continued the rhetoric and the adds. Sparking up mob violence is not responsible politics, especially given the economic situation. And I'm not saying that McCain and co are saying "go do violence", but once they see what effect their words are having, they should back off.

As for the dems, the negativity there is not the usual "three Rs" that BB mentioned (which are just plain stupid, and the dumbest thing a democrat can think, IMO). It's McCain=Bush and McCain is erratic. Then there's the Keating 5 video. None of this stuff is saying McCain is anti-american or an outsider, nor do they touch on negative racial or religious stereotypes. That's not to say they are true or that they aren't negative. But they aren't unleashing mob anger they way the repub's stuff is.

There's obviously a fine line here. I'm fully accepting of negative campaigns: they're as old as the nation. But for the first time this election cycle, I actually felt afraid watching some of that stuff from early in the week at repub rallies. I am Jewish, so maybe I'm over-sensitive to angry rallies in tough economic times. But I think McCain at least has realized that this is getting out of control, even if others in his campaign seem to think that ANYTHING goes. Since these are the same guys who started a rumor about McCain's adopted daughter, I have no sympathy for him. But if you want to get the first black president of the United States killed, this would be one way. Nuts don't take much to set them off.

NOTE: I AM NOT SAYING THAT REPUBLICANS IN GENERAL OR MCCAIN OR HIS STAFF ARE TRYING TO INCITE VIOLENCE. My wife and father in law are republicans and I love and respect them very much. I'm just saying that this situation is potentially very dangerous. The repubs are playing with fire in this economic environment, IMHO.
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I don't even know what the point of that link was, but whatever.
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saden, i think you are finally starting to rub some people the wrong way. but i dont know why? i think most of your stuff is funny
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Rubbing people the wrong way is a two-way street but the truth is I'm not trying to rub anyone anyway. I speak my mind is all.

On a side note, I visited my mom and dad yesterday and they had this new picture in their living room of them with congressman Tom Davis. He was our representative when we live in NOVA and I met him couple of times. He was a decent guy, a principled man, someone you could respect. You know what else? He's someone who I agree with with respect to the Republican Party and a host of other issues. My current congressman is David Reichert, a worthless piece of shit yes-man by all accounts. Hopefully he's going to get the boot this year.
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The White House response sums this up about right:

The White House declined to discuss Mr. Bush’s private appearances. “This is typical New York Times nonsensical pseudo-analysis,” Tony Fratto, the deputy White House press secretary, said in an e-mail message.
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Ultimately it is about the message and the tone of McCain's campaign that attracts these people to him. His campaign has stroked fear and this is the byproduct. Asking leading questions is a great way to get these fools minds wondering and as they say "you reap what you sow."



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Saden you are always saying stuff about McCains judgement and judging him on that but you don't judge Obama at all on his past judgment. Its not like the Ayer's and Wright stuff happend when Obama was 20 it happend within the past year with Wright and Ayer's within five years. If this was either McCain or Sarah you would ask the same question.
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This is just the chickens coming home to roost. They've gone very negative and they use a townhall style format. I am relieved that McCain said what he did (shades of the old John!), but the campaign has continued the rhetoric and the adds. Sparking up mob violence is not responsible politics, especially given the economic situation. And I'm not saying that McCain and co are saying "go do violence", but once they see what effect their words are having, they should back off.

As for the dems, the negativity there is not the usual "three Rs" that BB mentioned (which are just plain stupid, and the dumbest thing a democrat can think, IMO). It's McCain=Bush and McCain is erratic. Then there's the Keating 5 video. None of this stuff is saying McCain is anti-american or an outsider, nor do they touch on negative racial or religious stereotypes. That's not to say they are true or that they aren't negative. But they aren't unleashing mob anger they way the repub's stuff is.

There's obviously a fine line here. I'm fully accepting of negative campaigns: they're as old as the nation. But for the first time this election cycle, I actually felt afraid watching some of that stuff from early in the week at repub rallies. I am Jewish, so maybe I'm over-sensitive to angry rallies in tough economic times. But I think McCain at least has realized that this is getting out of control, even if others in his campaign seem to think that ANYTHING goes. Since these are the same guys who started a rumor about McCain's adopted daughter, I have no sympathy for him. But if you want to get the first black president of the United States killed, this would be one way. Nuts don't take much to set them off.

NOTE: I AM NOT SAYING THAT REPUBLICANS IN GENERAL OR MCCAIN OR HIS STAFF ARE TRYING TO INCITE VIOLENCE. My wife and father in law are republicans and I love and respect them very much. I'm just saying that this situation is potentially very dangerous. The repubs are playing with fire in this economic environment, IMHO.
Well it seems that its the left that we allways see breaking windows attacking police etc... when the Rep. hold their convention. Heck this year we saw a group protesting and attacking a cop as the others stood around and watched. Yea, I know the Obama camp is not causing this but I don't ever see the Dems asking for them to stop this everytime they get a chance. So maybe you should really look at which side has these mobs that your talking about.
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Saden you are always saying stuff about McCains judgement and judging him on that but you don't judge Obama at all on his past judgment. Its not like the Ayer's and Wright stuff happend when Obama was 20 it happend within the past year with Wright and Ayer's within five years. If this was either McCain or Sarah you would ask the same question.
I don't do guilt by association. I do guilt by conduct, policy, and speech. I don't think anyone in here is interested in me naming all the shady associates of the McCain/Palin ticket.
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This is just the chickens coming home to roost. They've gone very negative and they use a townhall style format. I am relieved that McCain said what he did (shades of the old John!), but the campaign has continued the rhetoric and the adds. Sparking up mob violence is not responsible politics, especially given the economic situation. And I'm not saying that McCain and co are saying "go do violence", but once they see what effect their words are having, they should back off.

As for the dems, the negativity there is not the usual "three Rs" that BB mentioned (which are just plain stupid, and the dumbest thing a democrat can think, IMO). It's McCain=Bush and McCain is erratic. Then there's the Keating 5 video. None of this stuff is saying McCain is anti-american or an outsider, nor do they touch on negative racial or religious stereotypes. That's not to say they are true or that they aren't negative. But they aren't unleashing mob anger they way the repub's stuff is.

There's obviously a fine line here. I'm fully accepting of negative campaigns: they're as old as the nation. But for the first time this election cycle, I actually felt afraid watching some of that stuff from early in the week at repub rallies. I am Jewish, so maybe I'm over-sensitive to angry rallies in tough economic times. But I think McCain at least has realized that this is getting out of control, even if others in his campaign seem to think that ANYTHING goes. Since these are the same guys who started a rumor about McCain's adopted daughter, I have no sympathy for him. But if you want to get the first black president of the United States killed, this would be one way. Nuts don't take much to set them off.

NOTE: I AM NOT SAYING THAT REPUBLICANS IN GENERAL OR MCCAIN OR HIS STAFF ARE TRYING TO INCITE VIOLENCE. My wife and father in law are republicans and I love and respect them very much. I'm just saying that this situation is potentially very dangerous. The repubs are playing with fire in this economic environment, IMHO.
Good points and I agree. This hatred that's coming from crowds when McCain or Palin speak is quite disturbing to say the least, I wish they would attempt to speak out and squash this stuff. Kill him? Terrorist? Off with his head? Wow...

I agree they aren't inciting violence, but they aren't doing anything to curb this disturbing behavior, and things could potentially get much uglier if they're not careful.
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