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Old 10-20-2008, 07:03 AM   #16
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God forbid anything happen to you or your family, but if anything ever did happen to you or your family, to the point of where you couldn't support yourself/your medical bills, and the majority of people carry that attitude, they might as well just turn you away at the front door of the hospital and say, "go take care of yourself."
So if something happens to me or my family, you're saying I should have the right to approach you and Saden, and FORCE you to help me pay my medical bills?
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Old 10-20-2008, 09:13 AM   #17
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One of the things the democrats oppose is the ability for families and individuals to deduct the cost of health care from their income taxes. So the very thing you're afraid of -- losing your job and not being able to afford insurance -- is a reality thanks to the policies of the party you apparently support. Employers can deduct the cost of insurance from their taxes, why shouldn't individuals be allowed to do the same?
Umm, how much do you think you'll get back by deducting $4800 (assuming you pay $400 in health insurance a month)? Me starting to think McCain's $5000 credit sounds better and that's a god awful plan.

I know every little thing helps but come on, a 4800 deduction nets you an extra peanut at best.
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Old 10-20-2008, 09:17 AM   #18
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So if something happens to me or my family, you're saying I should have the right to approach you and Saden, and FORCE you to help me pay my medical bills?
I don't run a charity bro but what I am willing to do is have some of my tax money used to create universal health care system to help keep your costs down and allow your family to seek medical treatment without you lot having to fork your life savings. I mean, I already do that sort of thing with schools (no kids here BTW), police departments, and fire departments.


Yeah, I'm nice like that.

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So if something happens to me or my family, you're saying I should have the right to approach you and Saden, and FORCE you to help me pay my medical bills?
What saden said...
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Umm, how much do you think you'll get back by deducting $4800 (assuming you pay $400 in health insurance a month)? Me starting to think McCain's $5000 credit sounds better and that's a god awful plan.

I know every little thing helps but come on, a 4800 deduction nets you an extra peanut at best.
Individual coverage is a lot more expensive than that for a family. Assuming no major medical issues (which bump up premiums), $1000+/month is not unlikely. That's several thousands of dollars a year if you could deduct it.

Still, this is completely separate from universal coverage.
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Old 10-20-2008, 01:26 PM   #21
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Umm, how much do you think you'll get back by deducting $4800 (assuming you pay $400 in health insurance a month)? Me starting to think McCain's $5000 credit sounds better and that's a god awful plan.

I know every little thing helps but come on, a 4800 deduction nets you an extra peanut at best.
Well, if you see a $4800 deduction (or more, depending on your plan) as completely insignificant, I have no argument for you. I'll take any chance I can get that allows me to keep more of my hard-earned cash so that I can go out and find the best deal for myself.

If you like the idea that the responsibility of your health coverage should be the burden of someone else, then the current system apparently suits you fine.
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Old 10-20-2008, 01:35 PM   #22
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I don't run a charity bro but what I am willing to do is have some of my tax money used to create universal health care system to help keep your costs down and allow your family to seek medical treatment without you lot having to fork your life savings. I mean, I already do that sort of thing with schools (no kids here BTW), police departments, and fire departments.


Yeah, I'm nice like that.
So you don't like the idea of me coming to you directly to force you to help me pay my doctor bills, but you're fine with the government forcing you to do it on my behalf? As more and more people get older, and as the population of this country continues to rise, the cost of universal coverage will most certainly not go down. Entitlement programs are bankrupting this nation.

Adding health insurance to the already long list of obligations this government has in the form of retirement, prescription drugs, Medicare, Medicaid, Wall Street bailouts, foreign misadventures, saving the oppressed people of the world, acting as policeman of the world ... sooner or later the bill is going to come due. The last thing we should do is pile on more financial responsibilities on the government that it cannot possibly afford.

What ever happened to personal responsibility here? What happened to 'Rugged Individualism' ?? Doesn't anyone see the danger of encouraging society to be totally dependent on the government for all of our needs?
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So you don't like the idea of me coming to you directly to force you to help me pay my doctor bills, but you're fine with the government forcing you to do it on my behalf? As more and more people get older, and as the population of this country continues to rise, the cost of universal coverage will most certainly not go down. Entitlement programs are bankrupting this nation.

Adding health insurance to the already long list of obligations this government has in the form of retirement, prescription drugs, Medicare, Medicaid, Wall Street bailouts, foreign misadventures, saving the oppressed people of the world, acting as policeman of the world ... sooner or later the bill is going to come due. The last thing we should do is pile on more financial responsibilities on the government that it cannot possibly afford.

What ever happened to personal responsibility here? What happened to 'Rugged Individualism' ?? Doesn't anyone see the danger of encouraging society to be totally dependent on the government for all of our needs?
I'll be happy to donate $50 to your cause. Every problem has a solution except perhaps P = NP problem. I mean by the way you sound you're basically saying all government services are bad. This of of course is not true. Some are better than others, some are vital to this nation's progress and prosperity and others can be done away with all together.

It is important to remember that this country wouldn't be where it is without the Marshall Plan, the New Deal, and the Reconstruction. Certainly we have lost some ground in terms keeping spending under control but such problem can be corrected. The Medicare bill, the farm bill, all the other shitty bills aren't permanent and can be alleviated if the people and their representatives choose to do so. David Walker is getting the ball rolling and I think people are starting to pay attention.
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Old 10-20-2008, 03:59 PM   #24
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You implication is that everything the government touches results ins skyrocketing cost? They are to blame for how expensive elementary education and higher education have become? The cost of books? The rising cost of teacher, police officer and fire fighter salaries? The cost of prescription dugs? The cost of surgical procedures?

Certainly they can do a better job curbing waste and fraud but I fail to see how that's a government only problem.
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universal healthcare, just another reason for the laziest people in the world to continue to sit on their ass and let other people take care of them.
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universal healthcare, just another reason for the laziest people in the world to continue to sit on their ass and let other people take care of them.
I know. Damn those Veterans out on the street who got booted into the streets during the 80's and can't afford health care. I mean, Jesus, they're so damn lazy.
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If I'm correct don't we have a medical system for veterans in place allready?
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I'm not saying that they don't have it readily available, just that there are many that can't afford it, more specifically those that still need psychological treatment.
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