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Old 10-19-2008, 12:12 AM   #1
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Liberal = Anti-American?

Congresswoman Michele Bachmann:



What does anti-American mean? What does one have to do to qualify?



Real America? Pro-America?



Norther Virginia is not real Virginia?



Communist Country ay?



Wow, speechless. I like how they work the word freedom into an ad that advocates the restriction freedom.

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Old 10-19-2008, 12:40 AM   #2
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And then there is this from one year ago:

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Old 10-19-2008, 12:58 AM   #3
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Norther Virginia is not real Virginia?



Communist Country ay?



Wow, speechless. I like how they work the word freedom into an ad that advocates the restriction freedom.
Northern Virginia has turned into an extension of the People's Republic of Maryland.

The population in Northern Virginia has increased pretty dramatically over the last 10 years and that area generally leans left rather than the "real Virginians" from Fredericksburg going south and about Chantilly (give or take) going west, who lean right.
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Re: Liberal = Anti-American?

This is surprising to you, after the last 8 years???
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Old 10-19-2008, 07:03 AM   #5
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i'm from springfield, and i'm a Real Virginian™

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and only cowroid fans would dare think differently :P
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Old 10-19-2008, 07:09 AM   #6
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btw, back in 2000 "fake virginia" voted for mccain in the republican primary, while your"real" virginians voted for the idiot named bush.

truth is, NoVA is probably more libertarian or moderate than anything else, and what you're seeing isn't related to being "real" as much as 8 years of bad policy and management and a republican political machine that sucks compared to the opposition and that can't find good candidates to save itself.
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Northern Virginia has turned into an extension of the People's Republic of Maryland.

The population in Northern Virginia has increased pretty dramatically over the last 10 years and that area generally leans left rather than the "real Virginians" from Fredericksburg going south and about Chantilly (give or take) going west, who lean right.
I usually think Saden's posts are too extreme, but just because I am from N.Va. makes me not a Virginian? Just because my region goes Dem and is a bit more socially progressive makes me not Virginian?

So in that accord "Real Virginia" is extremely conservative, resistive to change, and right? Wow...shows how polarized our nation can be....
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I usually think Saden's posts are too extreme, but just because I am from N.Va. makes me not a Virginian? Just because my region goes Dem and is a bit more socially progressive makes me not Virginian?

So in that accord "Real Virginia" is extremely conservative, resistive to change, and right? Wow...shows how polarized our nation can be....
I'm not saying you guys up North aren't real Virginians. I certainly don't agree with that type of thinking. I was just referencing the difference in the general political leanings of each area for saden.

I used to live up in NoVA back in the mid-90s. Lighten up guys.
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Old 10-20-2008, 12:52 PM   #9
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Everyone seems to be taking shots at me lately...I don't get it. What is extreme about my posts?
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Old 10-20-2008, 01:28 PM   #10
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I don't really care if people take shots at me because I'll fire right back (mods probably will have a problem with it personal attacks though). What I have a problem with is people calling me extreme. There's nothing extreme about me, if someone knows something I don't spit it out.
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Well your pretty set in you political believes and are not at all open to other ideas. Like our conversation months back about privatising SS and when shown the number in Galviston Tx you still thought goverment run SS worked better. Its like you saw the numbers and just did not believe them. Remember those numbers where a man working 30 years making on average $75000 a year would bring home X from gov. SS but brought home much more under their private system.
We have plenty of that on both sides here. Let's not act like saden is the only one guilty of that.
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Old 10-20-2008, 04:33 PM   #12
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I'm open to other ideas, I'm just not open to what I believe to be bad ideas. I don't have a problem with the concept of privatizing SS if it were made private as the program was being created. I do have a problem with the practicality of it at this point. The way it currently works is such that the younger generation pays into it so that the older generation can collect. What if we privatized SS tomorrow? What does that all mean? Can we implement the Galviston plan across the country? What will happen to my friends mom who is permanently disabled?

SS privatization crowd is all talk, no bark. Certainly no substance, just plain hate of "Socialist Security."

I'm not extreme, I'm just extremely opinionated and everything I say is reasoned and thought out though some might not like my methods or rational.
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Old 10-20-2008, 04:52 PM   #13
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What have you shown me? Privatizing SS is not akin to fixing SS. What I am saying Privatizing SS doesn't answer the important questions and leaves many people out in the cold. It's a solution without showing work. If you are talking about fixing a broken SS system then I'm all ears.
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I'm open to other ideas, I'm just not open to what I believe to be bad ideas. I don't have a problem with the concept of privatizing SS if it were made private as the program was being created. I do have a problem with the practicality of it at this point. The way it currently works is such that the younger generation pays into it so that the older generation can collect. What if we privatized SS tomorrow? What does that all mean? Can we implement the Galviston plan across the country? What will happen to my friends mom who is permanently disabled?

SS privatization crowd is all talk, no bark. Certainly no substance, just plain hate of "Socialist Security."

I'm not extreme, I'm just extremely opinionated and everything I say is reasoned and thought out though some might not like my methods or rational.
mecixo chile and australia (among others) managed to do it. you do like galveston did... let people opt out, and then they can put their SS money in a private account that guarantees 4-6% return per year (sometimes they make more than the guarantee). Those accounts are divided between multiple regulated regional banks and credit unions (which basically look at it like long term CDs) - that way there's no chance of one bank failure bankrupting a retirement class (and these things can be FDIC insured).

so that takes care of everyone opting out going forward. you leave those nearing retirement on the old system and gradually reduce america's tax burden as the old guys retire (and the opt out rate will be over 90%).

probelm solved - less taxes, no one gets forced out on the street, and the younger guys get actually interest on their very safe accounts, beating inflation and making it economically feasible to keep the idea of guaranteed retirement without bankrupting the nation.

SS and medicare are EASY problems - galveston and japan already solved them 30 years ago!!. why reinvent the wheel?
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Old 10-21-2008, 03:10 AM   #15
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and medicare is just giving free screening and prevention (you can even make it mandatory - ie, get your yearly mammogram or the out pocket cost, should you get breast cancer, will double), and making people pay 5-20% based on procedure or service to put cost control on the end user, not regulators... wider use of generics, stopping fraud (like those "free" scooters that are part of a business who's only money comes from ripping off medicare as much as possible for revenue).

you can also do what the military does - more doctors = cheaper health care, so... signing bonuses. ie, based upon national need, academic standing, and individual financial need, applicants can enter med school with a locked bonus, say 15k$. if they graduate and start work at a hospital, that 15k$ pays off student loans.

that hits health care costs and education at once... someone gets an easier ride to a high paying job, and in turn, lowers the total tax burden by slightly reducing demand on health care workers.
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