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Old 10-23-2008, 04:30 PM   #1
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How McCain Shed Pariah Status Among Evangelicals

It's scary that the religious right has so much influence over the party:

How McCain Shed Pariah Status Among Evangelicals : NPR
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Old 10-23-2008, 04:44 PM   #2
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It sure damn is. It is killing the conservative movement. The REAL conservative movement.
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Old 10-23-2008, 04:45 PM   #3
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Its scary how you find all these liberal media outlets for all your news sources. It was the far right conservatives/ Evangelicals were the ones apposed to John McCain and wanted another rep nominee. Now they have three choices McCain, Obama, or not voting at all. So they have decided to stand behind McCain over the other two choices. Its just like Hillary's base that at first would not support Obama which is now pushing their support his way. This is just a BS story to make McCain lool like he has all these ties now to Evangelicals.

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Its scary how you find all these liberal media outlets for all your news sources. It was the far right conservatives/ Evangelicals were the ones apposed to John McCain and wanted another rep nominee. Now they have three choices McCain, Obama, or not voting at all. So they have decided to stand behind McCain over the other two choices. Its just like Hillary's base that at first would not support Obama which is now pushing their support his way. This is just a BS story to make McCain lool like he has all these ties now to Evangelicals.
I agree, FD, that there's not much to this--all politicians do things like this to appeal to voters.

I do wonder, though, if there's going to be a serious debate among republicans after the election (if Obama wins). Conservatives like David Brooks have been very down on Palin and the rhetoric of this repub campaign. I think many fiscal conservatives may be getting tired of being yoked to the social conservative position. Plus, the Atwater/Rove attack style may be questioned, though I doubt that will have much impact.
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I agree, FD, that there's not much to this--all politicians do things like this to appeal to voters.

I do wonder, though, if there's going to be a serious debate among republicans after the election (if Obama wins). Conservatives like David Brooks have been very down on Palin and the rhetoric of this repub campaign. I think many fiscal conservatives may be getting tired of being yoked to the social conservative position. Plus, the Atwater/Rove attack style may be questioned, though I doubt that will have much impact.
I don't know. I mean I would like the Republican party to shift back toward the left a bit. Or, better said, back to center. I would love for this to be a wake up call to the party that we need the McCain of 2000, Romney pre-campaign, Kay Bailey Hutchinson, etc. That's the party I want to feel comfortable supporting again.

But I'm afraid that the answer to a loss (a possible loss) in this Presidential election might be "Well look we tried with a moderate in McCain but he only gained traction when we made him and the campaign more conservative."

We shall see what happens.
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I agree, I would probably vote republican if they were not so far right socially.
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Thankfully, the Religious Right doesn't seem to have the same power and sway that they did in the eighties and early 90's. It seems that the northeastern/Rockafeller/socialist-lite republicans have taken over in lockstep with the imperialist neocons.

The days of Robert Taft/Barry Goldwater conservatism died around 1964 with his defeat. That was pure, traditional conservatism -- actually bordering on libertarianism (my political philosophy).

There is no greater domestic threat to individual freedom than the Religious Right. At their core, they are nothing more than Authoritarians, and they can go straight to hell as far as I'm concerned.
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Its scary how you find all these liberal media outlets for all your news sources. It was the far right conservatives/ Evangelicals were the ones apposed to John McCain and wanted another rep nominee. Now they have three choices McCain, Obama, or not voting at all. So they have decided to stand behind McCain over the other two choices. Its just like Hillary's base that at first would not support Obama which is now pushing their support his way. This is just a BS story to make McCain lool like he has all these ties now to Evangelicals.
damn that liberal media huh

It's not too hard to find this stuff, try a google news search

What in the article is BS specifically?

Do you have any problem with these religious zealots having so much influence over the party??
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damn that liberal media huh

It's not too hard to find this stuff, try a google news search

What in the article is BS specifically?

Do you have any problem with these religious zealots having so much influence over the party??
Sorry they don't and if they did McCain would not be running for president. It would be like comparing them to the people you see out rioting in the streets on the left and saying when they vote democratic they have so much power in the dem party. Maybe you need to stop getting your news from google search and open your eyes just a bit. Heck I could start a news net work on the net and I can't even get a Youtube screens to play here. Its fine for a third or forth source but sitting here posting youtube clips day after day is a pit crazy. I'm sure all those clips you play have not ever been edited to met the persons agenda or they leave off the real meaning of what a person is saying. The liberal media is out in full force these past weeks and will be up until election so we do not need every liberal slanted article posted here. If thats going to be the case then maybe we sould start posting every Rush or Hannity article to make things fair and balanced. You say your so open minded but I have not seen one bit of that form you sense we have been talking politics. Heck you even defended Obama asking for 900 million in pork spending and called it a drop in the bucket.
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i think america as a whole is fairly moderate, more fiscally conservative, more socially liberal, and that creates a bit of a problem when you have 2 parties that only meet half your needs.

i do think god gets too much play in republican election campaigns though, since we've already established freedom of religion (over 200 years ago) and most of our political issues are secular in nature.

the article kind of makes you sad about the mccain we had in 2000 vs. the panderholic we have now though :/.
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Sorry they don't and if they did McCain would not be running for president. It would be like comparing them to the people you see out rioting in the streets on the left and saying when they vote democratic they have so much power in the dem party. Maybe you need to stop getting your news from google search and open your eyes just a bit. Heck I could start a news net work on the net and I can't even get a Youtube screens to play here. Its fine for a third or forth source but sitting here posting youtube clips day after day is a pit crazy. I'm sure all those clips you play have not ever been edited to met the persons agenda or they leave off the real meaning of what a person is saying. The liberal media is out in full force these past weeks and will be up until election so we do not need every liberal slanted article posted here. If thats going to be the case then maybe we sould start posting every Rush or Hannity article to make things fair and balanced. You say your so open minded but I have not seen one bit of that form you sense we have been talking politics. Heck you even defended Obama asking for 900 million in pork spending and called it a drop in the bucket.
It's interesting how most of us are willing to change or evolve our opinions on the Redskins based on discussions on this board but we are so stubborn when it comes to politics (please note first that I'm just quoting you but not referring explicitly to you). My guess is that with very few exceptions-I count myself among them, a Republican voting for Obama-there are people here who would vote for a Democrat even if a Donkey was the actual candidate while others would vote for a Republican even if an Elephant was the actual candidate.

As for the YouTube clips, you all know my stance on them. They get a bit annoying but you have to be an idiot to base your opinions entirely on them. Of course, they're parsed down clips and of course they're almost always posted by someone with a bias one way or the other. A McCain clip where he accidentally says "prisoners" instead of "citizens" or an Obama clip where he accidentally says "57 states" means absolutely nothing more than they're human beings who make mistakes. If anyone is actually going to the voting booth thinking "Well I can't vote for Obama because he has no idea how many states are in the USA" well then do us all a favor and don't vote.

In short, and I wish I could find the thread that I think someone started on this, F Political Threads. They have became such a "your guy is worse than my guy" waste.
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Oh and just to add, I think the religious right certainly has influence over the party otherwise Palin wouldn't be the VP choice
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Sorry they don't and if they did McCain would not be running for president. It would be like comparing them to the people you see out rioting in the streets on the left and saying when they vote democratic they have so much power in the dem party. Maybe you need to stop getting your news from google search and open your eyes just a bit. Heck I could start a news net work on the net and I can't even get a Youtube screens to play here. Its fine for a third or forth source but sitting here posting youtube clips day after day is a pit crazy. I'm sure all those clips you play have not ever been edited to met the persons agenda or they leave off the real meaning of what a person is saying. The liberal media is out in full force these past weeks and will be up until election so we do not need every liberal slanted article posted here. If thats going to be the case then maybe we sould start posting every Rush or Hannity article to make things fair and balanced. You say your so open minded but I have not seen one bit of that form you sense we have been talking politics. Heck you even defended Obama asking for 900 million in pork spending and called it a drop in the bucket.
Ok... but I didn't post any youtube clips in this thread...

We're talking about a pretty legit and respected news source in NPR.

I'm guessing you didn't even click on the link let alone read it.

If you want to post stuff from the far right to discuss go right ahead, please do. Post it and let's go to town on it. I think it's funny that some seem to think they're not allowed to post their own threads or something. Personally I have fun discussing this stuff and even though it might not come across over the boards I often do learn new things and consider other sides of debates.

I'm still wondering how much could be save by leaving Iraq.
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Old 10-23-2008, 10:47 PM   #14
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You know a lot of those YouTube clips are cheap shots, but part of it is just something to spark some conversation. That's how news is today, instant info, react, and move on to the next story. And a lot of times the clips spark some lively debate here. Sometimes not, but it's not like all the talk here is YouTube clips and juvenile potshots.
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Old 10-24-2008, 12:15 AM   #15
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McCain never really became part of the inner circle to the Religious Right. W always was a member and that is precisely why his disastrous policy decisions and even more disastrous political appointments never caught up w/ him - dude had about 1/3 of the electorate sealed from day one and just had to piece together enough incidental constituencies to get over 50%.

I'll never forget a classic Bush tale that circulated among evangelicals in my neck of the woods. I heard it from relatives first and then started hearing it from acquaintances and even a few strangers: supposedly a local miner had the opportunity to visit the White House but did not want to leave his wife dying of cancer. He decided to make the trip and after his delegation met w/ the pres as a group Bush took the guy to a private room and said God was calling them to pray together. They prayed. The friggin end. Every time I heard this story I asked what happened to the miner's wife. Nobody knew the answer. In fact, the miner didn't have a name, neither did his wife. And nobody knew when this thing happened. Then I started searching for the story online and in every paper in the state - never found it. It's like a conservative political operative somewhere knows exactly what will touch evangelicals (I actually had people shed tears when they told me this story, but I noticed they never cried until they got to the part about W praying) and then the story just gets retold at church groups, retreats and wherever.

Most of these people don't give a shit about policy, which means they don't give a shit about reality. Helps to explain the mess we're in IMO. Don't think I'm knocking people of faith across the board though. I go to church. C.S. Lewis is a favorite of mine. I just get my news and knowledge from sources beyond Lush Bimbaugh, Hannity, Jimmy Dobson, and O'reilly.
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