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Old 10-31-2008, 02:27 PM   #61
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saden, your defending him like a defense trial laywer.. i guess it depends on what your definition of "is" is.

I mean really, he agreed in spirit that he would, and then, once it came down to it, he jumped ship. And i mean, despite his speeches, his actual track record is to vote straight democratic 97% of the time. He's just about as far left as you can get.

I'm not a huge fan of mccain's pandering or his choice of palin (and i'm not voting for either btw), but his track record is 85% republican party line voting, which is at least a bit more moderate, and there is a chance he could go back to the guy from 2000 once in office.

not that it matters, since your bias has been insanely one sided since this whole thing began, but neither one of them is crapping roses, and there's a good chance once obama gets elected that a lot of people may end up disappointed after his term is done.
I always knew I would make a fantastic lawyer. Obama certainly did some calculating, that doesn't necessarily mean he lied or reneged on promise.

With respect to voting 97% of the time with democrats, well, not all ideas are equal, some ideas are in fact better than others. McCain can vote 100% republicans but he should make sure he's voting for good ideas people can get behind...lord knows if you don't, well, you just might not become president.

My bias (preference seems like a better choice if you ask) is fully explain and rationalized in my post. If anything isn't clear, I'll be happy to clarify.

I have said it before, with Obama, I'm hoping for the best, expecting the worst. Whatever happens know that saden will be good to go.

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Old 10-31-2008, 02:33 PM   #62
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I am off the Obama bandwagon but I despise McCain (If the election was held today)...what is your point? I no longer volunteer for Obama nor do I donate any money to him any more. Perhaps I shouldn't defend him against falsehoods and invalid accusations?



I still think he's still a wanker trying to get his but he does have the right ideas when it comes a lot of other issues I care about (Vice Presidential Debate Thread). Again, what is the problem?



LOL...what part of what I wrote offends sensibility? If McCain stands up today and says I plan to appoint Liberal justices who support liberal ideals to the Supreme Court I'll like the plan too.
I just think it's interesting that you mention your frustrations with Obama in passing while still voting for him, by the same token you mention where you agree with McCain in passing while focusing on his "incompetence"

I mean, in my opinion, the minute you wrote your the Republican base is all about guns, greeds, gays and God reminds you of an odious tampon I sort of figured your posts moving forward would be as balanced as Buster's or 70Chip's. Which honestly let me down.

Oh well, you're still cool in my book. Just disappointed with the shift in your political threads to what strikes me almost as one-sided anger
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isn't a supreme court justice's job to interpret and enforce the constitution? im not sure what experience, and guts have to do with it?
Because accurately and intelligently interpreting the constitution would require some substantial legal experience and the ability to make tough decisions when asked.

Would you like to appoint some kid fresh out of law school who can't decide what he wants for dinner to the Supreme Court? Of COURSE experience and integrity/guts/will is required.
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Old 10-31-2008, 02:46 PM   #64
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Funny you'd pick that quote because that's precisely one of the reasons I won't vote for Obama.

I think the composition of the Supreme Court and the appointments a president gets to make is one of the most crucial factors come election time.

Someone who is going to base judge appointments on emotion and empathy scares the living daylights on me. I want experience, reason, rationale and the guts to make tough decisions, not someone who is going to vote based on some empathetic emotional whim.

There's a lot of factors that would go into making a good judge, empathy being one of many. For Obama to seemingly highlight that as the only one that's important scares me.
Well, that's where we part ways. I believe it is essential that a judge be able to reconcile current law and a new issue facing the court. Without the ability to "intellectually identify with or vicarious experience of feelings, thoughts, or attitudes of another" a judge lacks the ability to make sound judgment necessary to resolve cases without precedence (what the Supreme Court routinely does).
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Well, that's where we part ways...I believe it is essential that a judge be able to reconcile current law and a new issue facing the court. Without the ability to "intellectually identify with or vicarious experience of feelings, thoughts, or attitudes of another" they lack the ability to make sound judgment necessary to resolve cases without precedence (what the Supreme Court routinely does).
Like I said, empathy is important - but it's one important trait amongst many.

Obama offered no other criteria (at least in that quote) and leads you to believe that his judge appointments will be based solely on whether the judge is empathetic or not.

Empathy is important, without a doubt. I would argue, though, that while it's important, it's certainly not THE most important or the only criteria by which a judge ought to be measured.
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Old 10-31-2008, 03:03 PM   #66
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Saden if I'm correct you said at one time you despise Republicans in general. I could have you mixed up with another poster but I'm about 99% sure it was something you posted.
I despise the Republican Party platform, its leadership in congress, its presidential candidates and its "base" (the batshit crazy people). I don't have a problem with people like Dom Davis, John Warner, and Jeff Flake, my ex-girlfriend, etc, etc.

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I think it was Bill Maher that said the right wing "batshit crazy" types, you know the Jesus and guns people should just start their own party, because they are so far from what the Republican base used to be. Hopefully this election will be a wake up call for the Republicans to move away from those wackos. I'm not counting on it though.
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I think it was Bill Maher that said the right wing "batshit crazy" types, you know the Jesus and guns people should just start their own party, because they are so far from what the Republican base used to be. Hopefully this election will be a wake up call for the Republicans to move away from those wackos. I'm not counting on it though.
Better hope McCain doesn't win, because all that's going to do is make the batshit crazy types cling stronger to the Republicans.

It's funny because I'm conservative on a lot of things such as spending and most notably crime and punishment (A Dem that favors the death penalty. Go figure) But its the crazy types that start bringing Jesus and gun control and all this other stuff that shouldn't matter as much into it and completely turns me off. Cause I could honestly care less about what people think about Jesus and guns. I'm cool with both.

Plus there's the stuff that I am liberal on like abortion, gay marriage, affirmative action, blah blah blah. That I just can't go right on. I wish there was some middle party I could vote for. I'd be totally down for that.
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Better hope McCain doesn't win, because all that's going to do is make the batshit crazy types cling stronger to the Republicans.

It's funny because I'm conservative on a lot of things such as spending and most notably crime and punishment (A Dem that favors the death penalty. Go figure) But its the crazy types that start bringing Jesus and gun control and all this other stuff that shouldn't matter as much into it and completely turns me off. Cause I could honestly care less about what people think about Jesus and guns. I'm cool with both.

Plus there's the stuff that I am liberal on like abortion, gay marriage, affirmative action, blah blah blah. That I just can't go right on. I wish there was some middle party I could vote for. I'd be totally down for that.
there's the libertarian party, but they're basically about privatizing social security and then a bunch of vague policy stands (cut entire governmental departments (pass more control back to states), protect privacy, equal rights)...
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I think it was Bill Maher that said the right wing "batshit crazy" types, you know the Jesus and guns people should just start their own party, because they are so far from what the Republican base used to be. Hopefully this election will be a wake up call for the Republicans to move away from those wackos. I'm not counting on it though.
Reminds me of Bill Hicks.

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Old 11-01-2008, 11:50 AM   #71
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Like I said, empathy is important - but it's one important trait amongst many.

Obama offered no other criteria (at least in that quote) and leads you to believe that his judge appointments will be based solely on whether the judge is empathetic or not.

Empathy is important, without a doubt. I would argue, though, that while it's important, it's certainly not THE most important or the only criteria by which a judge ought to be measured.

And the most important criterion would be?
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I just think it's interesting that you mention your frustrations with Obama in passing while still voting for him, by the same token you mention where you agree with McCain in passing while focusing on his "incompetence"

I mean, in my opinion, the minute you wrote your the Republican base is all about guns, greeds, gays and God reminds you of an odious tampon I sort of figured your posts moving forward would be as balanced as Buster's or 70Chip's. Which honestly let me down.

Oh well, you're still cool in my book. Just disappointed with the shift in your political threads to what strikes me almost as one-sided anger
If it seems it's in passing, well, my beef with Obama is roast beef thin while my beef with McCain is meatloaf with all the fixing thick.

The party is bad, really bad. It's god awful man. Buster? 70Chip maybe, but Buster? That ain't right.

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I just can't believe that the American people are more then willing to give complete control of the government to a party after the debacle with the Republicans earlier in the decade. I mean what are the Democrats going to do better without someone to keep them in check? The only check they have is in 2010 when the next round of elections is set to be held.

Right now with what I'm hearing about congress and Iraq being almost over I would want McCain to win. We can't give a party complete control over the government it's political suicide but most voters seem to be Bret Farve esque when it comes to making decisions. They think that since the Republicans were in office when all this happened then putting the Democrats in office will fix everything. It's like "oh we just elected the wrong party."

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In truth I would like to get rid of the Republicans and Democrats but that doesn't seem to be a very viable option.

Another thing about Obama, I know this is conservative rhetoric, but him and his party can't get his story straight when it comes to his tax cuts ($250k, $200k, $150k) and by nature politicians don't keep promises once they get elected into office (*cough* Bush, modest foreign policy*cough*) . I mean at the very least we had the Bush tax cuts extending to 2010 but with absolute power in the government the Democrats will be able to repeal them and create a tax code that probably isn't very beneficial to a struggling economy. In fact the only thing in the way of Obamas massive spending plan is the recession and the bailout, but if I'm not mistaken Clinton raised taxes on his 35th day in office after making similar promises during his campaign.

The funny thing is I like Obama. I think he can be a great leader, in some ways he'll definatley help with the countries image over in Europe and the rest of the world, but some of his proposals are on the extreme side (ie his desire for a spending spree during a recession) and without someone to keep him in check I fear the worst. With that said I don't believe he's a socialist just like I don't believe John McCain is the huge war mongerer people make him out to be.

By the way this is propoganda from both sides. Obama isn't getting rid of capitalism anytime soon and the ironic thing is socialist scoff at the idea of Obama being a "true" socialist or even a semi "socialist." McCain on the other hand might be more apt to fight but his dedication to Iraq before everything calmed down as of late was mainly because he doesn't want to have to go back (think Afghan-Soviet conflict and Japan after WWII). McCain knows what it's like on the front lines, he understands the horrors of war and he doesn't take pride in knowing that soliders are dying. Look either way we're still going to Afghanistan but at least Iraq is almost behind us.

Also for the record my political views are libertarian.
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dirt, for the most part, i agree. but after the G.O.P had 6 years of totally screwing up Washington, im willing to give the Dem's a chance to see if they can get anything done. because of the divide between the parties, a republican congress would get nothing but grid lock. this will be the first time, in a long time, i vote strictly party
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I despise the Republican Party platform, its leadership in congress, its presidential candidates and its "base" (the batshit crazy people). I don't have a problem with people like Dom Davis, John Warner, and Jeff Flake, my ex-girlfriend, etc, etc.
As long as you don't have a problem with me. I mean I don't care for the Democratic party basically spending the last 8 years as a party of excuses and victimization. Obama seems to be shifting away from that mentality. So i don't have a problem with him, my fiancee, you, the Hamburglar, etc. etc.
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