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Old 01-16-2009, 04:53 PM   #16
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Well if I named my son Susan should I loose him because he will get made fun of at school?
You're comparing a boy named Sue to a boy named after one of the most infamous and vile human beings to have walked the face of this earth? C'mon, you've got to do better than that.
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Old 01-16-2009, 05:14 PM   #17
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You're comparing a boy named Sue to a boy named after one of the most infamous and vile human beings to have walked the face of this earth? C'mon, you've got to do better than that.
Why do you, I or anybody get to decide what a good and bad name is? And how? You're talking about subjective things now. Plenty of people don't W so should parents not be able to name their kids George? Using arbitrary rules based completely in subjectivity seems totally wrong.
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Old 01-17-2009, 12:35 AM   #18
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Once again, you're specifically naming a child after a man that tried to exterminate a group of humans. I think you're just paying devil's advocate. It's a bad name. You're just opening the doors wide open for that child to be constantly ridiculed everyday for the rest of his life. If the parents can't see that then what else are they subjecting their kids to? I'm leaning heavily towards the assumption that this is just the icing on the cake. The kids are probably in an environment that is dangerous to their well-being, whether it be physical, mental, emotional, whatever.
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Old 01-17-2009, 12:44 AM   #19
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There are people in this country who still carry the last name Hitler. Many changed to some close variation like Hiller, but some seem seem to have taken the Micheal Bolton approach: "Why should I change, he's the one who sucks." It takes a lot of balls to go through life as a Hitler, I would imagine.
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Well if I named my son Susan should I loose him because he will get made fun of at school?
I didn't say they should lose him because he will get made fun of, I said he will take a lot of abuse getting made fun of at school.
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Old 01-17-2009, 11:20 AM   #21
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Why do you, I or anybody get to decide what a good and bad name is? And how? You're talking about subjective things now. Plenty of people don't W so should parents not be able to name their kids George? Using arbitrary rules based completely in subjectivity seems totally wrong.
So you have no problem with these kids' names?

The issue goes deeper than just the names. Have you seen what the father has tattooed on his hand?



Couple that with the names of the kids do you think the parents just might be worth looking in to a little further to ensure the children's well being?

Or is a tattoo just a tattoo?
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Old 01-17-2009, 12:17 PM   #22
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There's a problem with the kids names but the bigger problem lies with the notion that the state can and should bar Neo Nazis from raising their kids. If the state can take these kids away on the grounds of their names and their parents affinity for Nazism what's next? Take all the kids from racist households? What about people like Tom Cruise?
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There's a problem with the kids names but the bigger problem lies with the notion that the state can and should bar Neo Nazis from raising their kids. If the state can take these kids away on the grounds of their names and their parents affinity for Nazism what's next? Take all the kids from racist households? What about people like Tom Cruise?
I really don't know. There's not a simple answer.
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There's a problem with the kids names but the bigger problem lies with the notion that the state can and should bar Neo Nazis from raising their kids. If the state can take these kids away on the grounds of their names and their parents affinity for Nazism what's next? Take all the kids from racist households? What about people like Tom Cruise?
You and I rarely agree on things but we do on this. The names do suck and the parents are awful for a variety of reasons in my opinion. But my opinion shouldn't matter, and nor should anyone else's. If the basis for removal was just the names it is a disgrace. But I agree with you Matty that the names are a good indication that they should be looked at.
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I really don't know. There's not a simple answer.
See I think there is a simple answer. You and I don t tell other people how to raise their kids. If the kids are being endangered clearly and objectively then I am all for removal. If the kids are being taught something that a lot people think sucks then that's part of living in the land of the free in my opinion. We need to realize that everything can't always be peaches and cream when people have the freedoms we do in this country. A lot of people abuse them but when we look at the whole picture and our freedoms, our country rocks.
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See I think there is a simple answer. You and I don t tell other people how to raise their kids. If the kids are being endangered clearly and objectively then I am all for removal. If the kids are being taught something that a lot people think sucks then that's part of living in the land of the free in my opinion. We need to realize that everything can't always be peaches and cream when people have the freedoms we do in this country. A lot of people abuse them but when we look at the whole picture and our freedoms, our country rocks.
So if the kids are being taught hate, antisemitism, racism, etc., that doesn't constitute an unsafe environment or borderline abuse?

What are we defining as "endangering" here?
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So if the kids are being taught hate, antisemitism, racism, etc., that doesn't constitute an unsafe environment or borderline abuse?

What are we defining as "endangering" here?
It shouldn't matter what society deems safe? What should matter is that we are a country of laws. Unless they we're beating their children or teaching them how to fight dogs it doesn't matter what ideology they teach they're children.
Who are we to tell these people what to think? What if I thought Communism was the greatest ever and that filthy Anglo-Americans need to be exterminated along with Capitalism? If I named my son Pol Pot Stalin would you say I'm abusive? No, you'd elect me to Congress and I'd give you national health care just like they have in Cuba. he he he. I'm just kidding.

Perhaps if I told my children that the Earth was created in seven days and that they'll live forever if they drink the blood of a Jewish carpenter?

It seems almost all of our freedoms are gone. The last two to go will be our freedom to bear arms and the unwritten freedom of thought. Imagine if you felt that global warming was a ponzie scheme and that people who smoke aren't stupid. Well that's how I feel when I watch TV.
Just like the Weimar Germans back then we think we are free. When they can come in and take your children or nationalize the banks and industry it's over. Republic = Done.
It really doesn't matter. THE MOB RULES!
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One thing I thought of is people write and sell books that teach how to build bombs and other thing that if done are against the law. Are we now going to throw these people in jail.
Free speech is not without bounds. Your speech must pass the "imminent lawless action" test otherwise your ass is headed to the pen. You might be able to get away with writing and distributing a pamphlet that describes how to build a fertilizer bomb because that information is common knowledge, try publishing a material on "How to Build a Dirty Bomb" and you'll be well on your way to pleasuring Big Bob in the pen.
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Free speech is not without bounds. Your speech must pass the "imminent lawless action" test otherwise your ass is headed to the pen. You might be able to get away with writing and distributing a pamphlet that describes how to build a fertilizer bomb because that information is common knowledge, try publishing a material on "How to Build a Dirty Bomb" and you'll be well on your way to pleasuring Big Bob in the pen.
That must not apply to the www, or perhaps it is the difficulty in the catch and prosecution. That type of info is readily available on the web
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