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Old 01-27-2009, 06:46 AM   #46
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Right, that's what it is, fashion.

I know you like to vilify and demonize anyone whose views differ from yours, describing them alternatively as pierced slackers, loitering homosexuals, white flag waving francophiles, fornicating Europeans, or in this case, pro dead fetus dissimulators, but seriously, can't you consider the possibility that not sharing your values doesn't automatically make someone morally corrupt?
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Old 01-27-2009, 07:00 AM   #47
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good post dj
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Old 01-27-2009, 08:36 AM   #48
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Right, that's what it is, fashion.

I know you like to vilify and demonize anyone whose views differ from yours, describing them alternatively as pierced slackers, loitering homosexuals, white flag waving francophiles, fornicating Europeans, or in this case, pro dead fetus dissimulators, but seriously, can't you consider the possibility that not sharing your values doesn't automatically make someone morally corrupt?
So who did you steal that quote from? It's baseless in application to 70.

Can't YOU consider that to pro-lifers in the world they consider abortion MURDER. THAT'S MURDER. Again I am not making that argument but it seems pretty ignorant of the pro-choicers who rarely consider that they aren't arguing with a side about taxes, or off-shore drilling. You are arguing with people who think you are ok with killing other people. Humans tend to get somewhat angry about murder so it stands to reason that they'd think pretty little of pro-lifers since they consider you tanatamount to murderers.
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Old 01-27-2009, 08:38 AM   #49
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Note: this is why I don't discuss my views on abortion much. It's one issue no one will agree on and emotions get reasonably hot over it.
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Old 01-27-2009, 09:44 AM   #50
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Note: this is why I don't discuss my views on abortion much. It's one issue no one will agree on and emotions get reasonably hot over it.
This is why I never made it an Understanding the Issues thread during the campaign.

I believe that 12th's point was that people (most people) aren't all "Yay! Let's go get an abortion!" It was that those who are pro-choice support the option to get an abortion. But I think most that do would rather not ever get one.
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Old 01-27-2009, 10:10 AM   #51
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What a joke. What you meant to say is that in the last twenty years it's become fashionable for pro-choice politicians to ass-cover with some caveat indicating that in the purely moral sphere, of course they have reservations about this very difficult decision. Blah, blah, blah. Thomas Jefferson wasn't for slavery either. Actions speak much louder than words when it comes to things like this.

So who's actions are right in this case, 70? The government telling a woman what to do with her own body, a very personal and moral decision or the alternative, doing what she feels is in her best interest and well being?

Why is it an either or proposition?

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Old 01-27-2009, 10:35 AM   #52
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12th back 10 years ago I would have agreed with you until I met these two sisters who were very big in the pro-choice movement. There views on this subeject were so far to the left it almost seemed that they took pride in a women having a choice and choosing abortion. I'm not sure how the subject came up at this party but I'm pretty neutural on the abortion issue and all this one person said is that she could understand why some thought abortion was murder. These girls went nuts and they started saying things that just amazed me. After we left and got talking in the car the 4 people with me thought they had this party to push an agenda and even asked if anyone wanted to attend a rally. The one person who knew them even apologized for taking us to their party and we all kind of laughed it off put I just cannot forget what they said and the hate they showed to people with a different opinions. The funny thing was that no one their was really pro-life and most were pretty neutural on the subject.
and the difference with the radical right, that would rather bomb abortion clinics is???
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Old 01-27-2009, 11:17 AM   #53
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i think what he was referring to is that most people favor the right to choose, not the actual disposing of a fetus. i don't think most of us are qualified to actually tell a woman what she can, and cannot do, with her own body. everyone has different circumstances on how they ended up pregnant
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Old 01-27-2009, 11:36 AM   #54
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12th made the statement that "no on is for abortion" which I don't believe is true and I was showing why I did think that was true.
I think you know what I meant when I said no one is for abortion. Bottom line, no woman wants someone telling them what to do with their body.

Your story provides a very good and accurate account of why many have taken one side of the issue. And I would say that for every story such as yours, there's at least one that pushed people in the other directions.

There's no question this issue, at least in my opinion, has been politicized by many on the left and demonized by some of our religious brothers on the right. I think the issue is, or should be, not whether we make abortion illegal, but how can we reduce unwanted pregnacies.

I know, I know there I go again with my talking points. I can't help myself.
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Old 01-27-2009, 08:03 PM   #55
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I think you know what I meant when I said no one is for abortion. Bottom line, no woman wants someone telling them what to do with their body.


no one is telling women what to do with their body, what they're being told is "don't kill that child living inside you". just like saying "don't kill your neighbor". that's the stance from most pro-lifers.
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Old 01-27-2009, 08:27 PM   #56
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So who's actions are right in this case, 70? The government telling a woman what to do with her own body, a very personal and moral decision or the alternative, doing what she feels is in her best interest and well being?

Why is it an either or proposition?
It's become a common strategy among center-leftish politicians to support abortion rights 100% when it counts (that is with their votes) and then turn around and pretend that they have these great moral reservations when it doesn't count at all (when they're flapping their big gums).

If you're not sure when life begins, if it's "above your pay grade" wouldn't it make more sense to err on the side of caution and oppose abortion? Instead their uncertainty has led them to support abortion on demand wherever and whenever possible. They're full of shit.
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Old 01-27-2009, 08:31 PM   #57
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i think what he was referring to is that most people favor the right to choose, not the actual disposing of a fetus. i don't think most of us are qualified to actually tell a woman what she can, and cannot do, with her own body. everyone has different circumstances on how they ended up pregnant
Totally true. I knew this girl that got pregnant from riding a tractor.

You can't support a women's right to "dispose of the fetus" and also feel sorry for the fetus. Logic won't allow for it.
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It's the word "abortion", Dmek. It's a sexy word to use and divisive at the same time. The reality is, no one is FOR abortion.

But I suspect it's a number of things that has caused this particular topic to bubble to the top and become central to a much larger debate. I think, for one, coming off the heels of a historic election, people are engaged like never before.
I agree 12th. That is why your side likes to use the word choice. Why not call it what it really is: Infanticide.
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Old 01-27-2009, 08:43 PM   #59
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Right, that's what it is, fashion.

I know you like to vilify and demonize anyone whose views differ from yours, describing them alternatively as pierced slackers, loitering homosexuals, white flag waving francophiles, fornicating Europeans, or in this case, pro dead fetus dissimulators, but seriously, can't you consider the possibility that not sharing your values doesn't automatically make someone morally corrupt?

This is how one should post. This one gets a happy face. At least someone has been paying attention.

Our worldviews are just at odds. Your concept of morality is like a sand dune, ever shifting and unpermanent, while mine is more like a rock. It galls you that someone will actually say something is absolutely wrong, especially in the sexual realm. The reason is that God is at the center of my existence and your own false sense of yourself is at the center of yours. It's all very simple, really.
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Old 01-27-2009, 09:02 PM   #60
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I think it is abit ironic that liberals are quick to defend a murderer's right to life. A terrorist's right to American due process (closing down Gitmo). And, the showing of a video montage of American service men killing enemy combatants on the battle field, while God Bless America is playing. But, out of the other side of there ass, they will not defend the rights of an innocent fetus.

Me personally, I think abortion is okay in cases of rape, incest, and harm to the mother's life.
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