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Old 02-05-2009, 01:09 PM   #61
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The country as a whole choose to change leadership. If you're goint to try to lead don't talk about how you want the stimulus to be 100% tax cut and at least understand basic economics. If you have a rational and reasonable policy agenda we can talk but you have people hell bent to get their own way and scuttlebutt the new administration's agenda at every turn. It takes two to tango and Obama is wearing the pants in the relationship.
Just like Bush was elected 4 years ago by the "country as a whole" and the Democrats followed his lead, or the House went Republican by the "country as a whole" with the "Contract with America period" and the Democrats followed their lead.
Whatever, it is the way our system works and I understand that, but please then don't say you are changing anything in DC, all you are doing is the same thing that has gone on for the last 40 years.
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Old 02-05-2009, 02:19 PM   #62
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The country as a whole didn't choose to change. I didn't vote. Millions of people voted for McCain. My friend voted for Brett Favre. Obama may have won by a comfortable margin but he didn't have a Reagan style blowout. Yeah, you can say that now. Oh we won the election you can just be quiet. That's not what happened when Bush was in office. The Democrats ran their mouths like they had won. Now that the shoes is on the other foot I hope what's left of the Republicans fight the Democrats every step of the way. With any luck they can pull blue dogs like the Dems used to pull moderates.
Well, technically they did win.
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Old 02-05-2009, 02:21 PM   #63
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Well, technically they did win.
So did a lof of other Congressmen and Senators. It doesn't matter if they won if they can't get they're agenda off the ground.
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The country as a whole didn't choose to change. I didn't vote. Millions of people voted for McCain. My friend voted for Brett Favre. Obama may have won by a comfortable margin but he didn't have a Reagan style blowout. Yeah, you can say that now. Oh we won the election you can just be quiet. That's not what happened when Bush was in office. The Democrats ran their mouths like they had won. Now that the shoes is on the other foot I hope what's left of the Republicans fight the Democrats every step of the way. With any luck they can pull blue dogs like the Dems used to pull moderates.
The country as a whole DID vote for change whatever change represents to you is a different story. The fact that you didn't vote is your problem, yea. More power to the GOP if they can sway the blue dogs. They're 77 seats down and there are 47 blue dogs which means they need 39 blue dog votes to get their way. Good luck to them because by all accounts the house GOP is irrelevant.
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The country as a whole DID vote for change whatever change represents to you is a different story. The fact that you didn't vote is your problem, yea. More power to the GOP if they can sway the blue dogs. They're 77 seats down and there are 47 blue dogs which means they need 39 blue dog votes to get their way. Good luck to them because by all accounts the house GOP is irrelevant.
We'll see.
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Just like Bush was elected 4 years ago by the "country as a whole" and the Democrats followed his lead, or the House went Republican by the "country as a whole" with the "Contract with America period" and the Democrats followed their lead.
Whatever, it is the way our system works and I understand that, but please then don't say you are changing anything in DC, all you are doing is the same thing that has gone on for the last 40 years.
When you have 36 GOP senators who don't believe in government spending as a means of economic recovery and threaten to filibuster the stimulus bill WTF are we going to talk about? They can play their games, if was Obama I would tell them go eat a hogmog and have them filibuster the bill.
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We'll see.
I assure you we'll see it time and again for the next two years.
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I assure you we'll see it time and again for the next two years.
You don't have to wait that long . . . . and another one.

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Trample, just using your note as a bounce point; What amazes me, Saden, is that since someone you agree with is now in the drivers seat, everything is cool and kosher. Me, I hope Obama can get the country on its feet, and do so in a way that truly reflects a change of principle and philosophy from the Clinton/Bush legacy of partisan politics-country be d**mnd. But I am far closer to Trample's point of view then Obama's (or Bush's for that matter). and all I see is the same tired arguments for the same failed policies (democrats with theirs republicans with theirs) and you, and many others cheering up a storm because it's your guys turn and not the others.
Saden, I know you won't respond, because every time I try to point out a bigger picture, you have pulled out a partisan phrase and responded to that point ignoring every main point in my posts.
Once more, my point here, is Obama is behaving like a normal politician, he has not changed the tenor or tone of DC, nor has he worked to the betterment of the country over his particular beliefs.

What he had done so far is - he has taken his beliefs and pushed forward with his agenda boldly following an election which was as much about Bush's failure and a fresh face in Obama as it was that the country suddenly turned to an extreme liberal agenda.
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Trample, just using your note as a bounce point; What amazes me, Saden, is that since someone you agree with is now in the drivers seat, everything is cool and kosher. Me, I hope Obama can get the country on its feet, and do so in a way that truly reflects a change of principle and philosophy from the Clinton/Bush legacy of partisan politics-country be d**mnd. But I am far closer to Trample's point of view then Obama's (or Bush's for that matter). and all I see is the same tired arguments for the same failed policies (democrats with theirs republicans with theirs) and you, and many others cheering up a storm because it's your guys turn and not the others.
Saden, I know you won't respond, because every time I try to point out a bigger picture, you have pulled out a partisan phrase and responded to that point ignoring every main point in my posts.
Once more, my point here, is Obama is behaving like a normal politician, he has not changed the tenor or tone of DC, nor has he worked to the betterment of the country over his particular beliefs.

What he had done so far is - he has taken his beliefs and pushed forward with his agenda boldly following an election which was as much about Bush's failure and a fresh face in Obama as it was that the country suddenly turned to an extreme liberal agenda.
No, you got it all wrong. I don't like some of the thing in the stimulus but even more so I loath the alternative plan put forth by the GOP. It is retarded. They don't even f'ing understand the domain problem or they do but they're in the "I hope he fails" boat.

The Problem:
1. People are being laid-off.
2. Unemployment climbing.
3. People aren't buying things.
4. Companies aren't making money.
5. Go back to step 1 and repeat.


GOP Solution:
1. Tax cut for people.
2. Tax cut for corporation.
3. Tax cut for small business.
4. Supply side economics will take care of the rest.

Truly handicapped.
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No, you got it all wrong. I don't like some of the thing in the stimulus but even more so I loath the alternative plan put forth by the GOP. It is retarded. They don't even f'ing understand the domain problem or they do but they're in the "I hope he fails" boat.

The Problem:
1. People are being laid-off.
2. Unemployment climbing.
3. People aren't buying things.
4. Companies aren't making money.
5. Go back to step 1 and repeat.


GOP Solution:
1. Tax cut for people.
2. Tax cut for corporation.
3. Tax cut for small business.
4. Supply side economics will take care of the rest.

Truly handicapped.
Wow, did you read the part I put in bold and underlined, because you didn't even respond to my point, which I tried to make clear. But never mind; apparently we are dooomed to petty grievances and false promises, the recriminations and worn out dogmas.
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Huh?
Didn't she have to fill out an application? Oh that's right only the little people pay taxes.
Actually my solution is to the right of the Republicans. Everyone but Corporations pay NO taxes. Corporations pay a flat 10%.
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i cant believe you guys are willing to hand out the money, without any rules behind it? these C.E.O's have already proven that they know how to run these companies into the ground, but some around here are willing to hand them a check, and let them set their own compensation. what a joke. and i totally agree with saden on this. if they can find a better paying job, this is the American way. go for it
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Wow, did you read the part I put in bold and underlined, because you didn't even respond to my point, which I tried to make clear. But never mind; apparently we are dooomed to petty grievances and false promises, the recriminations and worn out dogmas.
The topic is bipartisanship and change I'm I correct? Your point is well taken, he's a typical politician. He's a democrat with liberal/socialist values. I on the other hand point out the insanity of the GOP's counter proposal. There is nothing petty about discussing the awfulness of what's on the table (that goes for some of the awful stuff in the dem's stimulus too). There is something wrong, however, when the GOP is entirely peddling same shit that they peddled back in 2001/2003 and we are in an even worse predicament than we were back in 2001/2003. I'm not saying it's entirely their fault we're in this predicament, there's plenty of blame for that to go around, but come on, f*cking try a little.

You got a radio host who hopes Obama fails getting a BJ from US Congressmen and Senators for cry out loud and you want to talk bipartisanship and being offended? The gall of some folks is amazing, if I didn't know better I would think the GOP were given a mandate.
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