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Old 03-16-2009, 01:12 PM   #16
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The problem with trying to compare other countries....anything to our own is the incompatibilty that may exist. We probably do not have much in common with the Japanese. This country is still largely European, and naturally more easily compared to the Euro countries (some anyway)
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Old 03-16-2009, 01:54 PM   #17
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i was under the impression that universal health care meant that employers would no longer carry insurance for the work force. the government would supply health care to everyone. i am more in favor of something like this, then the working mass pay for the uninsured
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Old 03-16-2009, 02:00 PM   #18
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i was under the impression that universal health care meant that employers would no longer carry insurance for the work force. the government would supply health care to everyone. i am more in favor of something like this, then the working mass pay for the uninsured
OK, well how do you imagine the government being able to afford to provide care for everyone?
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Old 03-16-2009, 02:04 PM   #19
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taxes, just like everything else
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The problem with trying to compare other countries....anything to our own is the incompatibilty that may exist. We probably do not have much in common with the Japanese. This country is still largely European, and naturally more easily compared to the Euro countries (some anyway)
I'm not sure what you're getting at here...healthcare is an economical matter not a cultural matter. Plus good ideas transcend culture.
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taxes, just like everything else
OK. Even tax on everyone? A tax amounting to practically nothing on the poor but tons on the rich? Or mostly tax increases to corporations?
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Is it just me or is any health care system, anywhere based on the assumption that a majority of people will get less than what they pay for in any given time frame so that a minority can get vastly more than they pay for? In other words if every person in great Britain availed themselves of even the minimum level of care, the system would be completely overwhelmed. Isn't that so? And isn't it also true, that having the government run the system does nothing to alter this fundamental flaw?
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Old 03-16-2009, 03:21 PM   #24
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Kinda when my dental insurance wouldn't pay for some sort of sealant for my teeth that prevents damage down the road. My parents paid out of pocket, I'm 25 and still never had a cavity.

I bet your parents have the rust proof undercoating on their car as well.
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Old 03-16-2009, 03:34 PM   #25
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Is it just me or is any health care system, anywhere based on the assumption that a majority of people will get less than what they pay for in any given time frame so that a minority can get vastly more than they pay for? In other words if every person in great Britain availed themselves of even the minimum level of care, the system would be completely overwhelmed. Isn't that so? And isn't it also true, that having the government run the system does nothing to alter this fundamental flaw?
It's not a "flaw", it's the fundamental nature of a risk sharing pool. You do the same with homeowners insurance, auto insurance, life insurance, etc.

But stemming from this strange post of yours I am deriving a point: however you choose to share the risk (through government or through private means), it does nothing to change the underlying costs of delivering care.

The nation must face this simple fact: healthcare science & technology has gotten so advanced and expensive that it just flat out costs a buttload. You can bring down some costs, like malpractice claims, and if you simplified reimbursement you'd need far fewer financey people like me supporting providers. But ultimately, if you want drastic cost reduction the only way to get it is through drastic reductions in utilization. How?

1) Stay healthy.
2) If you're a vegetable just pull the plug.
3) If something hurts flat out suck it up.

All way easier said than done.
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Old 03-16-2009, 05:07 PM   #26
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OK name any major goverment program that runs well, cost efficient, or has not not grown way out of wack.
the post office
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Old 03-16-2009, 05:09 PM   #27
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schneed, i have a question. why does any other insurance offer price breaks for people that really dont use it. except for medical?
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the only reason that the post office even works anymore (of course i would argue it doesn't) is because the load is reduced thanks to email faxing and a boatload of other technologies. Likewise, UPS ships 2 day ground, and I can track it with amazing accuracy, ship something USPS 2-3 day priority and try tracking it. Even if you pay for the ability too. Good luck
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Old 03-16-2009, 05:53 PM   #29
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.42 cents for a letter to travel from coast to coast. cant beat that
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.42 cents for a letter to travel from coast to coast. cant beat that
email works for me-fax does too.
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