If Texas Secedes, they won't be "America's Team"

jsarno · 04-17-2009, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

California seceeding would be fantastic. They have to leave San Diego though.

I like it here in SD, but it's too expensive. Southern SD is (chula vista and south) is almost useless though. Northern SD is extremely beautiful!

FRPLG · 04-17-2009, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Well, not exactly. Blood was shed to get free of England certainly, but the Founders looked at their states as their own countries. They didn't shed blood to swear allegiance to a massive leviathan of a federal government with no way out. In their eyes, the United States of America was plural, not singular. You're right about the second part though -- Lincoln made it clear that if anyone tried to leave, he'd send the army in to kill those who tried.

It's funny how Lincoln is held up as some sort of god because of this.

Sssshhhh. You can't ever talk about how the civil war and Lincoln actually destroyed what our founding fathers founded. It's not the accepted version of history.

FRPLG · 04-17-2009, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by saden1

....and most Texans would prefer to stay in the Union, 75% of them in fact. That's 15 points higher than expect. Rick Perry is done for.

Why is he done for? He didn't say he WANTED to secede. He said they could if they wanted to. I think he was basically just asserting the right. It's not like he started some movement to leave the Union.

jsarno · 04-17-2009, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by firstdown

Last I read California cannot even afford what they have going now so how could they make it on their own? I'd say California would be at the bottom of states that could sucede.

I didn't say they wouldn't have to claim bankruptcy and the housing market crumble to nothing, but they have everything they need to survive otherwise. If they seceeded millions would move back to the continental US leaving all sorts of open jobs and the money problems fade away. Not saying it's a reality, but just saying Texas is a joke if they think they can survive on their own. Texans always think they are better than everyone else, and what exactly about Texas would we (the USA) miss? West Texas is COMPLETELY useless, and the coast is one of the ugliest in America (minus a few spots). The Dallas area and San Antonio area are nice, but other than that, there is nothing really concrete they offer the US. Oil you say? Well, they are not the #1 producing state of oil in the USA. Cotton would likely be our biggest hit as a nation.

CRedskinsRule · 04-17-2009, 02:44 PM

For what it's worth, I believe the colonies were in financial trouble when they seceded. At least I know that during the Articles of Confederation period, paying national debts were a major stumbling block to the Articles success.
Maybe a unified California could secede, divide, secede from each other and re-join the 2 states in the US. North and South California. any takers?

jsarno · 04-17-2009, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

For what it's worth, I believe the colonies were in financial trouble when they seceded. At least I know that during the Articles of Confederation period, paying national debts were a major stumbling block to the Articles success.
Maybe a unified California could secede, divide, secede from each other and re-join the 2 states in the US. North and South California. any takers?

LOL, I've often thought that about Texas, divide it to east texas / west texas. But then again, what does west Texas have to offer anyone? That is like the mole on texas as a whole. But I guess every state needs an imperfection right?

FRPLG · 04-17-2009, 02:52 PM

It's all a moot point anyways. No State has the capacity or willingness to do it. All the poll shows is that 75% of Texans polled aren't complete dolts who think they can survive a global economy and massive geopolitical forces working against every country in the world nowadays.

saden1 · 04-17-2009, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by FRPLG

Why is he done for? He didn't say he WANTED to secede. He said they could if they wanted to. I think he was basically just asserting the right. It's not like he started some movement to leave the Union.

I believe all this talk is to shore up his "conservative" creds. Hutchinson can flip the scripts on his ass and claim "we're Americans, and always will be. Secession talk irresponsible and if we want to take back our country we should elect officials such as myself to represent you at home and in Washington."

CRedskinsRule · 04-17-2009, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by jsarno

LOL, I've often thought that about Texas, divide it to east texas / west texas. But then again, what does west Texas have to offer anyone? That is like the mole on texas as a whole. But I guess every state needs an imperfection right?

They already have the Cowboys!

FRPLG · 04-17-2009, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by saden1

I believe all this talk is to shoreup his "conservative" creds. Huchingson can flip the scripts on his ass and claim "we're Americans, and always will be. Secession talk iresponsible and if wewant to take back our country we should elect officials such as myself to represent you at home and in Washington."

I agree. I just don't think he is done. It actually makes me laugh how we have politicians coming out of the woodwork talking about how bad politicians are. The irony is thick. I feel like telling Perry, "Hey I agree you should have the right to leave if you want. Other than that you are a douche just like every other politician in this country. A squirrel trying to get a nut."

I am wary of politicians (basically all of them) who all of a sudden have things to say. Especially things that magically resonate with current political undertones. Funny how that happens.

Monksdown · 04-17-2009, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by FRPLG

If we're talking pratically then yeah no chance this ever happens. Or is even attempted. It's just posturing anyways. If we are talking philosophically why can't Texas leave if they want?

Manifest Destiny?

saden1 · 04-17-2009, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by FRPLG

I agree. I just don't think he is done. It actually makes me laugh how we have politicians coming out of the woodwork talking about how bad politicians are. The irony is thick. I feel like telling Perry, "Hey I agree you should have the right to leave if you want. Other than that you are a douche just like every other politician in this country. A squirrel trying to get a nut."

I am wary of politicians (basically all of them) who all of a sudden have things to say. Especially things that magically resonate with current political undertones. Funny how that happens.

I believe in being classy and leaving somethings unsaid for nothing good would come of them. One shouldn't for example bring up how you tea-bagged your wife the night before at a formal dinner in front of guests.

FRPLG · 04-17-2009, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by saden1

I believe in being classy and leaving somethings unsaid for nothing good would come of them. One shouldn't for example bring up how you tea-bagged your wife the night before at a formal dinner in front of guests.

I don't see it as unclassy. Just pandering rhetoric. And I think he'd disagree that "nothing good would come from them".

saden1 · 04-17-2009, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by FRPLG

I don't see it as unclassy. Just pandering rhetoric. And I think he'd disagree that "nothing good would come from them".

It is unbecoming of a governor to talk of secession. He may disagree but that doesn't mean he is right. He is either a remarkably a stupid man or disingenuous.

tryfuhl · 04-19-2009, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by wilsowilso

Wow I'm shocked? The richest conservative state in the country isn't happy that their oil buddies aren't running the show in Washington anymore(the same people who put us in this mess) and now they are threatening to secede when they don't like how the new government is trying to fix this awful mess. Good luck with that Texas.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAAH!!!

There's a lot more to this than taxes.. and a lot of states are at least semi-on board .. I don't see any attempts at seceding coming up anytime soon, but the fed needs to realize that they were created by the states and not the other way around. Forcing states to change laws vs not receiving fed money is bullying, especially when the money is coming FROM the states and their citizens

04-17-2009, 02:44 PM	#35
CRedskinsRule MVP Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Pasadena, Md Age: 45 Posts: 10,920	Re: If Texas Secedes, they won't be "America's Team" For what it's worth, I believe the colonies were in financial trouble when they seceded. At least I know that during the Articles of Confederation period, paying national debts were a major stumbling block to the Articles success. Maybe a unified California could secede, divide, secede from each other and re-join the 2 states in the US. North and South California. any takers?

04-17-2009, 02:52 PM	#37
FRPLG Franchise Player Join Date: May 2004 Age: 34 Posts: 9,232	Re: If Texas Secedes, they won't be "America's Team" It's all a moot point anyways. No State has the capacity or willingness to do it. All the poll shows is that 75% of Texans polled aren't complete dolts who think they can survive a global economy and massive geopolitical forces working against every country in the world nowadays.

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