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Old 08-12-2009, 01:52 PM   #181
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If when you say the left your talking about congress I would have to disagree. I think they look at this as a way to make a hugh power grab and would love the chance to control more of peoples lives. This would be the biggest power grab of all.
No, no. When I say the "left" I'm not talking about Congress -- I'm talking about the anti-war leftists, leftists in the blogosphere, that sort of thing. Believe me, they aren't happy at all with Obama because they thought he was going to high-tail it out of Iraq and Afganistan. You probably won't here much criticism from them right now because the left also wants a government takeover of the health care system.

Obama is taking enough shots as it is and the left won't pile on with the war issue -- I think they're willing to move Iraq and Afganistan to the back burner for now because making every American a servant of the state for their medical care is just as important to them.
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No, no. When I say the "left" I'm not talking about Congress -- I'm talking about the anti-war leftists, leftists in the blogosphere, that sort of thing. Believe me, they aren't happy at all with Obama because they thought he was going to high-tail it out of Iraq and Afganistan. You probably won't here much criticism from them right now because the left also wants a government takeover of the health care system.

Obama is taking enough shots as it is and the left won't pile on with the war issue -- I think they're willing to move Iraq and Afganistan to the back burner for now because making every American a servant of the state for their medical care is just as important to them.
And isn't it amazing that the media allows that to happen.

This is not a comment about how liberal the media is or isn't, just a vent cuz I dislike the media so d*** much.
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Old 08-12-2009, 02:50 PM   #183
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its like any thing else. i would be willing to bet 6 months from now no one is talking about health care. its kind of like at the start of the election the main focus was Iraq. by the time election night rolled around, it was the economy
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Old 08-12-2009, 03:58 PM   #184
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i kind of think that's the goal. if his plan fails, at least the right peoples eyes are focusing on the issue. finding a way to manage costs. isn't that what its really all about?
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Old 08-12-2009, 09:11 PM   #185
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Beware, imbeciles are afoot:

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Old 08-12-2009, 09:18 PM   #186
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I was wondering about this, where are all the good liberal protectors of free speech and individual privacy (ACLU, etc.) that fought so hard against the "evil" Bush Administration's Patriot Act? I guess it's OK to fight for the rights of terrorists and those who would harm the U.S., but any conservative American citizens who have broken no laws and have legitimate disagreements with the current Administration, well the ACLU certainly won't stand up for them. They won't get in the way of Premier Obama and the Politburo shaping the country into a Worker's Paradise, good news for the anti-American Communist Lawyers Union.

From John Cornyn's letter to the President:
“I am not aware of any precedent for a president asking American citizens to report their fellow citizens to the White house for pure political speech that is deemed ‘fishy’ or otherwise inimical to the White House’s political interests,” the Texas senator wrote in a letter to Obama.
“By requesting that citizens send ‘fishy’ e-mails to the White House, it is inevitable that the names, e-mail addresses, IP addresses, and private speech of U.S. citizens will be reported … You should not be surprised that these actions taken by your White House staff raise the specter of a data collection system.”

LOOOL...seriously? This guy is a U.S. Senator? He is either a moron or thinks we're moron. With Cornyn you never know which is true. Any reasonable person knows that all the white house wanted to do is fight bogus chain emails similar to the ones we constatntly saw posted here and everywhere else. Their request was beyond innocent and I really don't know how "forward us fishy chain emails and rumors so we can debunk them" turned into "spy on your fellow citizens on our behalf." Un-f*cking-believable.
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Old 08-12-2009, 09:28 PM   #187
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No, no. When I say the "left" I'm not talking about Congress -- I'm talking about the anti-war leftists, leftists in the blogosphere, that sort of thing. Believe me, they aren't happy at all with Obama because they thought he was going to high-tail it out of Iraq and Afganistan. You probably won't here much criticism from them right now because the left also wants a government takeover of the health care system.

Obama is taking enough shots as it is and the left won't pile on with the war issue -- I think they're willing to move Iraq and Afganistan to the back burner for now because making every American a servant of the state for their medical care is just as important to them.
2008 is only last year and if my memory serves me right Obama said he'll gradually discontinue the Iraq fight and continue the Afghan fight during the campaign yet he still got himself elected by the leftist. It's kinda pointless to protest a guy you voted for knowing full well what he was going to do don't you think? If I were you I would wait 16 months on Iraq than open my mouth and give it to the leftist and keep quite on Afghanistan because that fight is the fight they've mostly been willing to get behind.

If you're really intrested in something ironic I would like to point out that the same people who had no problem with The Patriot Act are now all of a sudden interested in privacy and tyranny of the government. Of course their concerns are unfounded though one sometimes wishes they were.
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Old 08-12-2009, 09:39 PM   #188
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For those bashing the ACLU's you aught to know their mandate and the fact that they'll protect your freedom of speech even if the speech is of the nature bellow. The last time I checked these protesters are still out there and free to spill their guts. With respect to people actually taking them seriously and listening to them the ACLU can't help in that regard. Perhaps there's a confusion between "the right to free speech" and "the right for your speech to be accommodated and be heard" here.







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Old 08-12-2009, 11:49 PM   #189
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Three months ago the Republican Party looked dead in the water. It would have taken a miracle to revive their hopes. You ask for a miracle? I give you Rahm Emmanuel, David Axelrod, and Robert Gibbs. The Left spent the better part of five years endeavoring to engineer an American defeat in Iraq from the rear and now they seem perplexed that anyone would dare oppose them. There are no rules here. You get what you gave. Karma's an ugly bitch.
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If the opposition is going to be delivered by racist xenophobic anti-Semites there's nothing to worry about. Ugly people are rarely attractive to all the people. Let the games begin or should I say resume.
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If the opposition is going to be delivered by racist xenophobic anti-Semites there's nothing to worry about. Ugly people are rarely attractive to all the people. Let the games begin or should I say resume.
I think you're reading the intentions incorrectly. Although I am sure some of them are those things just because people like that do exist.
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2008 is only last year and if my memory serves me right Obama said he'll gradually discontinue the Iraq fight and continue the Afghan fight during the campaign yet he still got himself elected by the leftist. It's kinda pointless to protest a guy you voted for knowing full well what he was going to do don't you think? If I were you I would wait 16 months on Iraq than open my mouth and give it to the leftist and keep quite on Afghanistan because that fight is the fight they've mostly been willing to get behind.

If you're really intrested in something ironic I would like to point out that the same people who had no problem with The Patriot Act are now all of a sudden interested in privacy and tyranny of the government. Of course their concerns are unfounded though one sometimes wishes they were.
The irony is quite delicious
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The partisan divide in this country is sickening. What's worse is that many so-called intelligent people in this thread play right into it; supporting their side unconditionally in everything, blaming the other side for inflammatory tactics, harping on personal things that have nothing to do with the issues: like Clinton's blowjob from Monica and Sanford's affair.

Set that absurd bullshit aside, for the love of God. Evaluate everything objectively, no matter which side champions it. Only then are you being open enough to make decisions/cast your vote for the betterment of society. When you go along with this partisan drivel, all you do is succumb to your ego and pride. Let it go, sometimes the folks you voted for are right, sometimes they're not, who cares.

You don't have to agree with everything your party says; to do so only confirms that you're not using your brain.
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The partisan divide in this country is sickening. What's worse is that many so-called intelligent people in this thread play right into it; supporting their side unconditionally in everything, blaming the other side for inflammatory tactics, harping on personal things that have nothing to do with the issues: like Clinton's blowjob from Monica and Sanford's affair.

Set that absurd bullshit aside, for the love of God. Evaluate everything objectively, no matter which side champions it. Only then are you being open enough to make decisions/cast your vote for the betterment of society. When you go along with this partisan drivel, all you do is succumb to your ego and pride. Let it go, sometimes the folks you voted for are right, sometimes they're not, who cares.

You don't have to agree with everything your party says; to do so only confirms that you're not using your brain.
Very well said.
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The partisan divide in this country is sickening. What's worse is that many so-called intelligent people in this thread play right into it; supporting their side unconditionally in everything, blaming the other side for inflammatory tactics, harping on personal things that have nothing to do with the issues: like Clinton's blowjob from Monica and Sanford's affair.

Set that absurd bullshit aside, for the love of God. Evaluate everything objectively, no matter which side champions it. Only then are you being open enough to make decisions/cast your vote for the betterment of society. When you go along with this partisan drivel, all you do is succumb to your ego and pride. Let it go, sometimes the folks you voted for are right, sometimes they're not, who cares.

You don't have to agree with everything your party says; to do so only confirms that you're not using your brain.
Nice post! I agree it would be hard to find someone that all their ideas fit in one political box.

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