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Old 05-15-2009, 12:14 PM   #31
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Who have we tortured ? Waterboarding is NOT torture . Waterboarding causes ,,,, ZERO injuries ,,, no muscle or ligament damage , no respitory illness , no lung desease , no eye , ear or throat damage . We are not waterboaring service men / women ,,, these people are terrorists targeting civilians . Show me how what we are doing today is equal to what the Germans/ Japanese or VC did to our SOLDIERS ? I understand your point , but comparing WB'ing with Breaking Bones and starving people to death is like apples and oranges , IMO . And they are not criminals they are terrorists .
If you don't feel like the sensation of drowning is torture, then I feel you're severely mistaken. Just because there's no 'physical' pain doesn't mean that the pain is still great. I couldn't think of anything worse than sleep deprivation myself. The fact is, most of the people in gitmo probably aren't all that bad. If they were so radical and terrible, wouldn't we be able to have evidence to charge them? I feel like everyone deserves their day in court.
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Old 05-15-2009, 01:27 PM   #32
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Firstdown, don't act ignorant. Every country targets civilians first. It has to do with destroying infrastructure. Often children are involved. Israel has been said to purposely bomb schools, during school hours. Same with hospitals.

Unfortunately, when you invade, civilians will feel the brunt of the attack. We've been very lucky as Americans to not see wars on our own soil (besides the ones we conduct on ourselves, and Pearl Harbor.) I couldn't imagine the constant state of fear many countries, especially in the instable middle east go through every day. 9/11 was terrible, but it pales in comparison to what most countries see regularly.

Yes, we're not striking the target 'to kill civilians', but we are targeting important structures that we know will lead to civilian death. It's an unfortunate side effect of war.
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Old 05-15-2009, 01:55 PM   #33
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FD - Didn't a CIA operative just say that waterboarding gave us absolutely no useful information behind a screen to Congress? Honestly, I'm not really against torture. But I also realize it is an action that can also be taken against our soldiers. I guess my biggest issue is that we have no evidence on the guys we're doing this to, instead we THINK they're connected. Would you be fine being abducted and tortured because they THOUGHT you may be an Anti-American terrorist? No, you'd be screaming for a lawyer and proof.

All I'm asking is torture people you know have information.
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Old 05-15-2009, 02:17 PM   #34
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Your kidding right? There is a hudge difference. Yes in war civilians are going to died but they are not the target when we strike at a target. The bad guys your talking about target civilians.
I'm absolutely not kidding. Civilians are just as dead in either scenario, whether they had been specifically targeted or not.
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If you don't feel like the sensation of drowning is torture, then I feel you're severely mistaken. Just because there's no 'physical' pain doesn't mean that the pain is still great. I couldn't think of anything worse than sleep deprivation myself. The fact is, most of the people in gitmo probably aren't all that bad. If they were so radical and terrible, wouldn't we be able to have evidence to charge them? I feel like everyone deserves their day in court.
Hey Deasal , how are you . I agree with you that we should not treat EVERY guy we pick up on a battllefield the same , Im sure more than a few just joined the fight . As far as sleep deprivation , loud music ect. I would imagine that many are not subjected to that for long if they will not talk . As for waterboarding , it is used < as I was told > , only on " high level " targets , whom we believe have info on terror attacks or planning of attacks , ect . I do not want us to just beat the hell out of any fighter after he is detained , but if we capture a top Al Queda member , i just hope we do what ever we have to to save lives . As long as the trial is military < no evidence is released to the public or lawyers > , then Im fine .
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Including suicide bombings?
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Including suicide bombings?
That's right. They're playing hardball and you guys are worried about their stinking rights?

Americans are just as capable of playing hardball. Flying on a fire-bombing mission into a wall of anti-aircraft fire, over a fully industrialized nation, is nothing short of suicide.
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LOL...good one. We've done it before, and we can do it again because we've done it before. To infinity and beyond!
Of course it doesn't alter the moral correctness of waterboarding. It only demonstrates the selective nature of your outrage. How convenient that you would come to Jesus during a Republican admininistration. Obama's recent backtracking leaves you in the position of having to un-come to Jesus visa vis national security (assuming you are loyal to The Baraq). I suspect he's trying to shake you weirdie beards loose. He's trying to seem a little more mainstreamish.
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