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Old 05-22-2009, 10:53 AM   #16
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I don't hate Cheney, I'm just completely dispassionate about his wellbeing knowing what he stands for and advocates. You'll have to excuse me for not wanting to give CPR to man who advocates for torture. If it will make you feel better I feel the same about world dictators who tortured people. Finally, what's truly sad is Americans with the Constitution in one hand and Dick Cheney's balls in the other and acting like it's a lovely day. I am not one of these Americans, and I don't wish to be that American, I hope you understand this and if you don't it's a problem you have to deal with. Is this all perfectly clear?

saden wouldn't personally harm Dick and Rushbo because he's a lover not a fighter, saden wouldn't act if they were dying because he just doesn't give a shit about them.

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Old 05-22-2009, 11:06 AM   #17
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It does seem absurd, this is twice, Rush and Cheney, recently where your rhetoric has been very antagonistic. I really am shocked by your disregard of someone's life because they hold a different, but within the range of our political dialogue, point of view then you.

I don't quite get it, you at one point really lambasted me for not being scared or whatever towards the end of time, but yet you somehow see allowing the death of a fellow American that you could save. I don't get it
They are not contradictory positions and I am confidant you know the difference between the two positions.
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Old 05-22-2009, 11:19 AM   #18
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Guilty as charged but do you see the irony?
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They are not contradictory positions and I am confidant you know the difference between the two positions.
I suppose I do, yet, I can't imagine ever being in the same place as a person in need of CPR and not perform it. One, if you are certified, it is your obligation, and two, if you know it but your certification lapsed, it would seem like a compassionate person would do whatever he/she could to save another life.
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I suppose I do, yet, I can't imagine ever being in the same place as a person in need of CPR and not perform it. One, if you are certified, it is your obligation, and two, if you know it but your certification lapsed, it would seem like a compassionate person would do whatever he/she could to save another life.

Even towards Osama bin Laden? I'm sure you draw the line somewhere and it just so happens Rushbo and Cheney are on the wrong side of my line.
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Even towards Osama bin Laden? I'm sure you draw the line somewhere and it just so happens Rushbo and Cheney are on the wrong side of my line.
Why did I know someone would take it to a terrorist/prisoner. But we are not talking about enemies of our country, but a former Vice President and a person in Limbaugh who is in good standing in United States society. Not a person who has devoted his existence to the end of mine or my country, regardless of political leaning.
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saden wouldn't personally harm Dick and Rushbo because he's a lover not a fighter, saden wouldn't act if they were dying because he just doesn't give a shit about them.
saden posting in the third person is a ridiculous as some of his more recent posts concerning Rush and Cheney.

I really don't understand the venom/violent under(over)tones from some on the left towards people on the right who are vocal about their positions.

To Miller101's post: Clinton had some very shady business dealings, many believe Vince Foster's death was no "suicide", Clinton sent terror suspects to Egypt to be "interrogated" and you can be sure the Egyptians do FAR worse than waterboard. So would the world be better off without Clinton too?

How about debating politcal positions with facts/logic civilly and respecting other's opinions rather than using rhetorical half-truths/non-factual garbage and making statements about the other side being dead.
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Old 05-22-2009, 11:37 AM   #24
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Why did I know someone would take it to a terrorist/prisoner. But we are not talking about enemies of our country, but a former Vice President and a person in Limbaugh who is in good standing in United States society. Not a person who has devoted his existence to the end of mine or my country, regardless of political leaning.
Good standing is a bit of an overstatement don't you think? Dick shattered our moral high-ground and gutted and disrespected our Constitution and Rushbo the venom spitting drug addict who thinks people shouldn't participate in the recession are not in good standing.
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saden posting in the third person is a ridiculous as some of his more recent posts concerning Rush and Cheney.

I really don't understand the venom/violent under(over)tones from some on the left towards people on the right who are vocal about their positions.

To Miller101's post: Clinton had some very shady business dealings, many believe Vince Foster's death was no "suicide", Clinton sent terror suspects to Egypt to be "interrogated" and you can be sure the Egyptians do FAR worse than waterboard. So would the world be better off without Clinton too?

How about debating politcal positions with facts/logic civilly and respecting other's opinions rather than using rhetorical half-truths/non-factual garbage and making statements about the other side being dead.
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No Saden, both are in good standing in the US society. I am kinda done, when you can't recognize that, you really have gone a bit over the edge. Are they perfect, no, neither are Clinton and Ted Kennedy, but you don't hear people making your types of statements about them.
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I don't hate Cheney, I'm just completely dispassionate about his wellbeing knowing what he stands for and advocates. You'll have to excuse me for not wanting to give CPR to man who advocates for torture. If it will make you feel better I feel the same about world dictators who tortured people. Finally, what's truly sad is Americans with the Constitution in one hand and Dick Cheney's balls in the other and acting like it's a lovely day. I am not one of these Americans, and I don't wish to be that American, I hope you understand this and if you don't it's a problem you have to deal with. Is this all perfectly clear?

saden wouldn't personally harm Dick and Rushbo because he's a lover not a fighter, saden wouldn't act if they were dying because he just doesn't give a shit about them.
So I guess if Bill Clinton needed CPR you wouldn't give it to him either? He sent prisoners to Egypt to be tortured even worse than they would be tortured here.
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President Bill Clinton issues Presidential Decision Directive 39 (PDD-39), which authorizes the "extraordinary rendition," or transfer, of non-citizen prisoners to Egypt for interrogation and trial. Egypt is known to practice torture, and statements obtained by torture in Egypt have been put to use by U.S. intelligence agencies. Human rights activists have argued that this is often the whole point of extraordinary rendition--it allows U.S. intelligence agencies to have prisoners tortured without breaking U.S. anti-torture laws.
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Even towards Osama bin Laden? I'm sure you draw the line somewhere and it just so happens Rushbo and Cheney are on the wrong side of my line.
Go ahead and let Bin Laden die but you would let Cheney and Rush (two Americans) die because they have different beliefs than you?
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I don't want to speak for Saden, but I'm guessing his issue with their "different beliefs" lies in morality.
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saden wouldn't personally harm Dick and Rushbo because he's a lover not a fighter, saden wouldn't act if they were dying because he just doesn't give a shit about them.
I hear that one of the first signs of mental disorder is referring to yourself in the third person.
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saden always appreciates and values your input. saden also thanks you for your service to our country.
I appreciate and value your input too. Can't we all just share some arugula salad

P.S. we won't invite Cheney or Rush
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