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Old 05-26-2009, 04:37 PM   #16
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Violence perpetuates violence.
Sometimes violence ENDS violence. If someone is standing there hitting you KNOWING you won't hit back, diplomacy won't end it. But if you suddenly stand up & punch the guy in the face a few times, he'll stop.

Diplomacy can go only so far. With some people & certain TYPES of people, violence is the only thing that works.
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What are you trying to say?

EDIT: just saw the bolded part, I get it. Question for you, if you could've waterboarded one of the 4 soldiers before the rape and murder of the Iraqi family and gained the intel to stop the murders, would you waterboard to get the info?

My opinion: If the facts stated are true & correct, that this ex-soldier and the other soldiers raped and murdered this girl and her family, they deserve the death penalty.
No I wouldn't resort to torture because I wouldn't assume torture was the only viable means of archiving the desired result. Furthermore, your argument for torture in this instance would pave the way for using torture in any scenario where someone's life is in danger.
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Did I miss a specific scenario?
Personally, I have seen youtube videos of Americans being tortured AND murdered (I can recall one specific journalist[?] I believe where we watched these animals saw his head off with a machete). I think we should be just as willing to go as far as them to stop the terrorism as they are to create it.

It seems to me that the more we try to "abide" by rules that only exist to make THEIR lives easier for committing these crimes, the more we play into their hands.
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Old 05-26-2009, 04:50 PM   #19
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I'm not willing to go that far.
I am. And then some.

I say go after their families. They are born to die for their cause & take as many Americans & Jews with them as possible, but they know in doing so, their families will be protected & provided for by their governments. You take that protection away, you take away that motivation.
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I am. And then some.

I say go after their families. They are born to die for their cause & take as many Americans & Jews with them as possible, but they know in doing so, their families will be protected & provided for by their governments. You take that protection away, you take away that motivation.
That's some evil genius shit right there...good stuff man...keep the ideas flowing.
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No I wouldn't resort to torture because I wouldn't assume torture was the only viable means of archiving the desired result. Furthermore, your argument for torture in this instance would pave the way for using torture in any scenario where someone's life is in danger.
I agree.
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what if it was an American being water boarded? would that be OK?
I would prefer it. When I take them apart with a chainsaw I could understand their screams for mercy. :FIREdevil
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I am. And then some.

I say go after their families. They are born to die for their cause & take as many Americans & Jews with them as possible, but they know in doing so, their families will be protected & provided for by their governments. You take that protection away, you take away that motivation.
That's why the USSR never had a problem with terrorist. The KGB kidnapped their families and sent back videos with ears and toes.
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If Obama released the means of torture then why if it didn't work did he not release the results from what YOU call torture?
Are you suggesting the only reason the result weren't released is because they worked? A) Obama didn't release the means of torture, everyone already knew we were water-boarding so the release of the memos is immaterial and B) Obama professed in one of his speeches that torture might have worked though there are alternatives to torturing people to get information.

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That's why the USSR never had a problem with terrorist. The KGB kidnapped their families and sent back videos with ears and toes.
LOL...Afghani rebels and Chechen rebels anyone? Notice how we call them rebels here in the states and not terrorists.
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LOL...Afghani rebels and Chechen rebels anyone? Notice how we call them rebels here in the states and not terrorists.
Trample is right, You are wrong. imagine that!!!!
Rebels fight in their homeland against a govt and mostly as an organized resistance army. Terrorists attack innocents, usually, in distant lands. Trample said the USSR, not Russia, and there was/is a distinct difference. Afghani rebels fought the Soviets, in Afghanistan, successfully. But you never saw any successful terrorist attacks in Moscow/St. Petersburg. Your Chechen rebels comment just doesn't really apply to the USSR.
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LOL...Afghani rebels and Chechen rebels anyone? Notice how we call them rebels here in the states and not terrorists.
Speak for yourself. I don't call them rebels. You must be referring to the liberal media. I was thinking more along the lines of the PLO, Hezzbollah, and Islamic Jihad. They tried to get ballsey with the Russians but the KGB wasn't having it. The Soviets invaded Afghanistan and Chechnya is part of Russia. I would have just nuked Afghanistan. Why waste time with torturing them when you can microwave every since soul in less than a second?
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Trample is right, You are wrong. imagine that!!!!
Rebels fight in their homeland against a govt and mostly as an organized resistance army. Terrorists attack innocents, usually, in distant lands. Trample said the USSR, not Russia, and there was/is a distinct difference. Afghani rebels fought the Soviets, in Afghanistan, successfully. But you never saw any successful terrorist attacks in Moscow/St. Petersburg. Your Chechen rebels comment just doesn't really apply to the USSR.
This has got to be the most contorted argument ever. I guess Iraqis can't be terrorists. One man's terrorists are another's rebels and according to the USSR Afghani rebels were terrorists (even by our standards they are terrorists):

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The mujahideen leaders paid great attention to sabotage operations. The more common types of sabotage included damaging power lines, knocking out pipelines, radio stations, blowing up government office buildings, air terminals, hotels, cinemas, and so on. From 1985 through 1987, an average of over 600 "terrorist acts" a year were recorded. In the border region with Pakistan, the mujahideen would often launch 800 rockets per day. Between April 1985 and January 1987, they carried out over 23,500 shelling attacks on government targets. The mujahideen surveyed firing positions that they normally located near villages within the range of Soviet artillery posts, putting the villagers in danger of death from Soviet retaliation. The mujahideen used land mines heavily. Often, they would enlist the services of the local inhabitants and even children.

They concentrated on both civilian and military targets, knocking out bridges, closing major roads, attacking convoys, disrupting the electric power system and industrial production, and attacking police stations and Soviet military installations and air bases. They assassinated government officials and PDPA members, and laid siege to small rural outposts. In March 1982, a bomb exploded at the Ministry of Education, damaging several buildings. In the same month, a widespread power failure darkened Kabul when a pylon on the transmission line from the Naghlu power station was blown up. In June 1982 a column of about 1,000 young party members sent out to work in the Panjshir valley were ambushed within 30 km of Kabul, with heavy loss of life. On September 4, 1985, insurgents shot down a domestic Bakhtar Airlines plane as it took off from Kandahar airport, killing all 52 people aboard.
You are right in that Russia is not USSR but if I'm not mistaken the KGB still exists to protect the Russian Federation. Be weary my friend, I too can slice hair and I assure you I am very good at it.

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Speak for yourself. I don't call them rebels. You must be referring to the liberal media. I was thinking more along the lines of the PLO, Hezzbollah, and Islamic Jihad. They tried to get ballsey with the Russians but the KGB wasn't having it. The Soviets invaded Afghanistan and Chechnya is part of Russia. I would have just nuked Afghanistan. Why waste time with torturing them when you can microwave every since soul in less than a second?
i really admire how you never waver. when all else fails, it must be the liberal media. what a joke
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I always get drawn to these type threads, and always think of one scenario. Imagine if every country was nuked expect the U.S. Instant division would occur, states would start jockeying for power and war would break out.

Apparently most here that are for killing anyone but an American don't have family in other areas. If you don't believe in torture or killing you can't pick certain areas, its either all or none.
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