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Old 05-28-2009, 11:29 AM   #61
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Sometimes violence ENDS violence. If someone is standing there hitting you KNOWING you won't hit back, diplomacy won't end it. But if you suddenly stand up & punch the guy in the face a few times, he'll stop.

Diplomacy can go only so far. With some people & certain TYPES of people, violence is the only thing that works.
Violence will never end violence. You claim it is ended in the situation you posed, but it is only temporarily gone. Awareness and Consciousness are the only ways to bring peace to this world.
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Old 05-28-2009, 11:36 AM   #62
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Would you say that Gandhi was too proud to pick up a gun and kill the British?

I wouldn't say we are being too "proud" to change our morals standards. The people who flew the planes into the World Trade Center are probably happy about our reactions and how we are changing our moral standards to try and stop them. We shouldn't be stooping to their level.

Also, I hope most of you people realize that we are not at war with Islam, there are plenty of people who are Muslim or from the Middle East who are not terrorists and are good people just like you think you are.
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Old 05-28-2009, 11:39 AM   #63
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Sometimes violence ENDS violence. If someone is standing there hitting you KNOWING you won't hit back, diplomacy won't end it. But if you suddenly stand up & punch the guy in the face a few times, he'll stop.

Diplomacy can go only so far. With some people & certain TYPES of people, violence is the only thing that works.
Meanwhile the guy you punched just slinks away and plots his revenge. Violence doesn't end violence, it's an endless cycle. Especially when dealing with extremists. I'm not saying diplomacy is the answer either, but let's not pretend like hitting back solves everything in the end.
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Old 05-28-2009, 11:43 AM   #64
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Is there any evidence that suggests torture leads to information being obtained and the correct info at that? If no, why is torture ok with people? I'm not saying it is or isn't the answer, I'm just asking if it's not leading to the desired result shouldn't other methods be considered?
Pretty partisan article, but the information contained indicates there was much information that was obtained through "enhanced interrogations" that was not obtained by softer means. If correct, a second 9/11 in LA was thwarted by the actions of the CIA and Bush Admin.

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The answer is acceptance for the present moment, and hence acceptance for all that is. Everything has its perfect place and could not be other than what it is and the way it is.

... call me crazy.
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I come from the school of: Don't start nothing, won't be nothing.
It really doesn't matter, but ask yourself, "Who started this?"
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Pretty partisan article, but the information contained indicates there was much information that was obtained through "enhanced interrogations" that was not obtained by softer means. If correct, a second 9/11 in LA was thwarted by the actions of the CIA and Bush Admin.

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There are good arguments for either side

The Torture Myth (washingtonpost.com)

I'm honestly on the fence. I really don't know what the answer is.
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What is your plan to bring peace to this world?
There is no plan. it is a ridiculous notion.
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There is no plan. it is a ridiculous notion.
I see you have already accepted what is. You are on the right path, my friend.
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There are good arguments for either side

The Torture Myth (washingtonpost.com)

I'm honestly on the fence. I really don't know what the answer is.
The unfortunate part is that these decsions have to be made in the first place and will continue to have to be made for the forseeable future.
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Violence will never end violence. You claim it is ended in the situation you posed, but it is only temporarily gone. Awareness and Consciousness are the only ways to bring peace to this world.
I'm sure Nick Berg would agree with you.
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Violence will never end violence. You claim it is ended in the situation you posed, but it is only temporarily gone. Awareness and Consciousness are the only ways to bring peace to this world.
Really may be going over the top with this, but I am pretty sure that Nuking Japan (or firebombing them if we hadn't nuked em) is what it took to stop them. As for awareness and conciousness and diplomacy, I am pretty sure all that was tried with Hitler right up to the point he rolled tanks into Poland.
Fact of the matter is that sometimes, you gotta show that you can "get down and dirty" in order for the awareness and consciousness to set in on people whose actions are ruled by idiomatic beliefs.
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What is your plan to bring peace to this world?
Man, I soooo want to answer, kill them all and let God sort them out.
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