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Old 06-10-2009, 05:34 PM   #1
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Guard at Holocaust Museum Killed by Alleged White Supremacist

So sad.

Guard Dies After Holocaust Museum Shootout - ABC News
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Old 06-10-2009, 05:59 PM   #2
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Very sad indeed. I suspect this sort of violence is only going to get worse.

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Old 06-10-2009, 07:26 PM   #3
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I can't believe it! I mean this dude just walked through the front door with an assault rifle? Freakin Insane!

Kudos to the Security guards! They put themselves between the patrons and this crazy piece of shit! They saved the lives of dozens of people by doing what they did. Unfortunately, one of them died, but he saved the lives of many more. RIP Officer Johns.
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Old 06-10-2009, 07:32 PM   #4
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The gunman was almost 90 years old. That's crazy. Demented old bastard. RIP to brave guard who lost his life. What a horrible tragedy.
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Sad that the security guard lost his life, but the whole thing is weird in both the venue and timing of the shooting, not to mention the shooter was an old man who just walked up with an assault rifle.
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Old 06-11-2009, 07:05 AM   #6
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People are sick creatures.
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The guy who did this was a complete loon. Consumed by hate.

In 1981, he attempted to kidnap the Federal Reserve board (yes, you read that right). He spent six years in prison for that:

"In December 1981, he walked into the Federal Reserve Board's Washington headquarters with weapons and a plan to confront the bank's governors, according to news accounts. ... Carrying a revolver, a hunting knife and a sawed-off shotgun in a satchel, von Brunn raced past a guard to the second floor, where the board was meeting. He pulled the shotgun on another guard in the corridor leading to the boardroom. ... The guard called for help, and von Brunn was overpowered before anyone got hurt. "

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The few times I've been to that museum I remember security being pretty tight. How did this nutjob get in with a gun?
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I think they do have metal detectors, I could be wrong though.
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Apparently he started shooting before reaching the metal detectors:


Washington, D.C. Police Chief Kathy Lanier said the gunman appeared to have acted alone. He was "engaged by security guards immediately after entering the door" with a rifle, she said, but "the second he stepped into the building he began firing." The suspect reportedly did not attempt to conceal his weapon and began shooting before reaching the museum's metal detectors.

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What does that mean?
It means more guys like this are going to come out of the woodworks.
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I knew thats what you where saying but why do you feel this way?
Because right wing nut jobs are better armed then left wing nut jobs.

Essentially, the right wing guys recruit and attract ex-military types while the left wing guys get the tech savvy types who just f* the world's computers.
Homeland Security Warns of Rise in Right-Wing Extremism - First 100 Days of Presidency - Politics FOXNews.com


This is from a 2001 publication but contains some interesting info:

"Leftist extremists were responsible for three-fourths of the officially
designated acts of terrorism in America in the 1980s. From an international perspective, of the 13,858 people who died between 1988 and 1998 in attacks committed by the 10 most active terrorist groups in the world, 74 percent were killed by leftist organizations."
http://fas.org/irp/world/para/left.pdf

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I was reading this guy's website and to attach any political tag to him would be inappropriate. He was just paranoid schizophrinic. All the Conservatives I know are quite sympathetic towards Jews. In fact you were more likely to hear the anti-semitic stuff from the anti-war movement in the last ten years than you were from the right. It was common to hear them talk about how the neo-cons had hijacked the Bush presidency, etc. Chris Matthews used to recite the names of all the Jews in the Bush Administration (Scooter Libby, Paul Wolfowitz, Douglas Feith) and then ask rhetorically of some guest, "Aren't these the guys that are really in charge?"

I grew up in the evangelical sub-culture and anti-semitism was not present. Anti-Catholic bigotry was not uncommon but the Jews were viewed as "the chosen people". The holocaust was seen as proof of this. Catholics, in my experience, take quite a different view of the Jews. There's a definite, "They killed our Lord" mentality. This is what you see with Matthews and Pat Buchanan. My point is that Jew hating is pervasive and is not specific to any political movement. It's all around.
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I was reading this guy's website and to attach any political tag to him would be inappropriate. He was just paranoid schizophrinic. All the Conservatives I know are quite sympathetic towards Jews. In fact you were more likely to hear the anti-semitic stuff from the anti-war movement in the last ten years than you were from the right. It was common to hear them talk about how the neo-cons had hijacked the Bush presidency, etc. Chris Matthews used to recite the names of all the Jews in the Bush Administration (Scooter Libby, Paul Wolfowitz, Douglas Feith) and then ask rhetorically of some guest, "Aren't these the guys that are really in charge?"

I grew up in the evangelical sub-culture and anti-semitism was not present. Anti-Catholic bigotry was not uncommon but the Jews were viewed as "the chosen people". The holocaust was seen as proof of this. Catholics, in my experience, take quite a different view of the Jews. There's a definite, "They killed our Lord" mentality. This is what you see with Matthews and Pat Buchanan. My point is that Jew hating is pervasive and is not specific to any political movement. It's all around.
You make it all sound so nefarious. It's not like those guys didn't earn their scumbag badges. One got a presidential pardon due to a federal conviction, another got fired twice due to incompetence and lack of ethics, and the third cooked books to such an extent that the pentagon commissioned a report on his misconduct.

Also, it is helpful to point out that this guys could have just as easily targeted a black church. Jews were among many of a long list of people to hate. I'm not going to speculate on his ideology but I have a very hard time believing that this man would vote for anyone that has the support of 90% of blacks and 70% of Jews and might take his guns away. It simply doesn't make sense not that I would expect this guy to be sensible at all.
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You make it all sound so nefarious. It's not like those guys didn't earn their scumbag badges. One got a presidential pardon due to a federal conviction, another got fired twice due to incompetence and lack of ethics, and the third cooked books to such an extent that the pentagon commissioned a report on his misconduct.

Also, it is helpful to point out that this guys could have just as easily targeted a black church. Jews were among many of a long list of people to hate. I'm not going to speculate on his ideology but I have a very hard time believing that this man would vote for anyone that has the support of 90% of blacks and 70% of Jews and might take his guns away. It simply doesn't make sense not that I would expect this guy to be sensible at all.
I hear you, but there were lots of others he could have mentioned and the subtext was always that they were looking out for Israel instead of the U.S. Furthermore, the anti-war movement often flirted with anti-semetism in the period from 2003 to 2008. Cindy Sheehan had an episode as did many others. Matthews has been very careful to avoid this sort of rhetoric since Christopher Hitchens , among others started noticing it publically. I'm not casting stones, I'm merely saying that anti-semetism is not now nor has it ever been a purely "right wing" phenomenon. It's really more familial and cultural.
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