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Old 07-14-2009, 11:17 AM   #121
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Someone actually employs you? Remarkable

You actually think he can't be defeated in 2012? History means nothing to you does it?
Miller, let me guess. Volunteer at ACORN, administrative assistant in DNC HQ, or Huffington Post blogger from your parents' basement.

Republicans, Taxes, Health Care, family values/religion, without those buzzwords the rest of your post is pretty much periods and smileys, well reasoned and insightful post.
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Old 07-14-2009, 11:30 AM   #122
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Obama's a juggernaut? In what way?

Compared to Republicans out there? Especially Romney? No contest, might as well not even run. Did you not see how much money the man raised (744 million)? The kind of crowd he pulled? The trouncing of McCain by 192 electoral votes?

If Obama isn't a political juggernaut, I don't know who is. Again, good luck.
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You can't seriously believe that. I hope to god he runs against Obama. Tell you what, if he wins the nomination and isn't beaten by the same margins as McCain was I'll send you $100 dollars. I just put it into my calendar. Good luck.
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Old 07-14-2009, 11:41 AM   #124
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Compared to Republicans out there? Especially Romney? No contest, might as well not even run. Did you not see how much money the man raised (744 million)? The kind of crowd he pulled? The trouncing of McCain by 192 electoral votes?

If Obama isn't a political juggernaut, I don't know who is. Again, good luck.
Got ya. Kind of like how H.W. Bush trounced Dukakis by over 300 electoral votes and had an approval rating close to 90% just over a year before his 1992 re-election bid. You're right, I tend to forget how that complete dominance in 1988 helped secure a guaranteed win for him in 1992.
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Old 07-14-2009, 11:51 AM   #126
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Got ya. Kind of like how H.W. Bush trounced Dukakis by over 300 electoral votes and had an approval rating close to 90% just over a year before his 1992 re-election bid. You're right, I tend to forget how that complete dominance in 1988 helped secure a guaranteed win for him in 1992.
LOL...that's not a fair comparison of the political and electorate landscape is it? If you think Obama is Herbert Walker by all means, indulge yourself. Besides, I don't see someone as capable as Slick Willy on the other side that can come in and play the hero. Oh, and Romney wouldn't even win his home state...Dukakis at least managed to do that.

Times done changed bro, times done changed...and it take decades for change not 4 years. Good luck mon ami.
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LOL...that's not a fair comparison of the political and electorate landscape is it? If you think Obama is Herbert Walker by all means, indulge yourself. Besides, I don't see someone as capable as Slick Willy on the other side that can come in and play the hero. Oh, and Romney wouldn't even win his home state...Dukakis at least managed to do that.

Times done changed bro, times done changed...and they take decades to change not 4 years. Good luck mon ami.
The point is in 1988, HW won handily and in 1988 few, if anyone, really was giving much thought to Clinton as a real threat in 1992. So why is it so out of the realm of possibility for someone (whether it's Romney or someone we're not even considering) to win in 2012?
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The point is in 1988, HW won handily and in 1988 few, if anyone, really was giving much thought to Clinton as a real threat in 1992. So why is it so out of the realm of possibility for someone (whether it's Romney or someone we're not even considering) to win in 2012?
You're right someone can come along and beat Obama but the main obstacle is that someone would have to bring the GOP and its base along. And you know what I and a lot of Americans, especially the independents, think of batshit crazy people. You see, when Bill ran he ran as a moderate southerner and that's really the main reason why he won. Try to bring moderation to the GOP and see what happens. A pile of shit is less rancid than that bunch (sorry Joe, I hope I'm not cheery picking :P).
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You're right someone can come along and beat Obama but the main obstacle is that someone would have to bring the GOP and its base along. And you know what I and a lot of Americans, especially the independents, think of batshit crazy people. You see, when Bill ran he ran as a moderate southerner and that's really the main reason why he won. Try to bring moderation to the GOP and see what happens. A pile of shit is less rancid than that bunch (she was elected as Chair BTW).
You may want to reconsider your thought process on that $ 100.

Obama Approval Drops by Double Digits in Ohio Poll (Correct) - Bloomberg.com

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Also check out the Congressional approval ratings and think about my statement of 1994 = 2010.
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Old 07-14-2009, 12:21 PM   #130
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As unqualified as I personally think Sarah Palin is, I don't see Romney beating her. I thought so about three months ago, but not now. If she can survive this latest misstep with how she abruptly resigned, she'll be in good shape going down the road.

Someone mentioned the economy being Romney's strength. Romney has kept his nose clean for as long as anyone can remember, gives substantive interviews (although I think his foreign policy views seem to be more rhetoric than anything else), he's actually governed a state and has executive experience. On paper Mitt Romney is a ten. But the economy was bad when John McCain was running for office and Romney still couldn't get his party's nomination. And I don't think it will be any different 3 1/2 years from now. So the notion that if the economy is still bad in a few years, that favors Romney, is a false argument in my opinion. In fact, he and Obama have very similiar views on how they would deal with GM.

Secondly, Palin with all of her demons and drawbacks commands media attention like no other politician except for President Obama. This is a huge plus for her. If she can figure out how to use that as an asset instead of a liability, Romney won't stand a chance. One more thing that Palin has going for her that Mitt Romney doesn't and that's the forgiveness factor. It seems to me that people are more willing to overlook Palin's flaws and give her a second chance whereas I don't sense the same type of goodwill towards Romney. He has to be damn near perfect; in fact, that's what people don't like about him. He comes off as the perfect candidate.
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Old 07-14-2009, 12:27 PM   #131
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You may want to reconsider your thought process on that $ 100.

Obama Approval Drops by Double Digits in Ohio Poll (Correct) - Bloomberg.com

Pollster.com: National Job Approval: Pres. Barack Obama

RealClearPolitics - RealClearPolitics Poll Averages

Also check out the Congressional approval ratings and think about my statement of 1994 = 2010.

I only look at RealClearPolitics and I am well aware of his standing. I'm one of those that disapproves because he's not as cut-throat has he should be but that don't mean I'm not voting for the man.

I don't believe weakass Romney is going to win the nomination but in the event that he wins and isn't defeated handily I will be happy to send you your money. There is no need to reconsider. I done already won, you just don't know it yet.

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Old 07-14-2009, 12:32 PM   #132
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As unqualified as I personally think Sarah Palin is, I don't see Romney beating her. I thought so about three months ago, but not now. If she can survive this latest misstep with how she abruptly resigned, she'll be in good shape going down the road.

Someone mentioned the economy being Romney's strength. Romney has kept his nose clean for as long as anyone can remember, gives substantive interviews (although I think his foreign policy views seem to be more rhetoric than anything else), he's actually governed a state and has executive experience. On paper Mitt Romney is a ten. But the economy was bad when John McCain was running for office and Romney still couldn't get his party's nomination. And I don't think it will be any different 3 1/2 years from now. So the notion that if the economy is still bad in a few years, that favors Romney, is a false argument in my opinion. In fact, he and Obama have very similiar views on how they would deal with GM.

Secondly, Palin with all of her demons and drawbacks commands media attention like no other politician except for President Obama. This is a huge plus for her. If she can figure out how to use that as an asset instead of a liability, Romney won't stand a chance. One more thing that Palin has going for her that Mitt Romney doesn't and that's the forgiveness factor. It seems to me that people are more willing to overlook Palin's flaws and give her a second chance whereas I don't sense the same type of goodwill towards Romney. He has to be damn near perfect; in fact, that's what people don't like about him. He comes off as the perfect candidate.

Here here...Bravo. I would like to add that I like Tim Pawlenty's chance of winning the nomination. He has gotten considerable media exposure and is generally likable.
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Here here...Bravo. I would like to add that I like Tim Pawlenty's chance of winning the nomination. He has gotten considerable media exposure and is generally likable.
So you're coming around on Pawlenty now?

Solid post 12th. I can appreciate your points.
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So you're coming around on Pawlenty now?

Solid post 12th. I can appreciate your points.

I think he is the least offensive of the current bunch of GOP candidates. If he plays his cards right he might get the nomination. Still, defeating the handicapped GOP field is one thing, defeating President Obama is another.
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Here here...Bravo. I would like to add that I like Tim Pawlenty's chance of winning the nomination. He has gotten considerable media exposure and is generally likable.
Yeah, TPaw is solid and I like him but, again, he doesn't have that it factor. I'm telling you Obama screwed shit up for the next boring run-of-the-mill politician. As much as Republicans hate on Obama's celebrity factor, they would like to have their own version of Obama. Of course someone who stands for conservative principles and values, but someone electrifying nonetheless.

Tell you guys a quick story. The only time I'll share an actual campaign experience.


One Sunday morning two elderly caucasion ladies (had to be in their early to mid eighties) walked into our Charlotte, NC office looking around. I approached them and asked if I could help them with something. I honest to goodness thought they were either lost or spying for the GOP. Seriously, this is what briefly ran through my head. They told me they wanted to get to work - now! Now I'm kind of reeling and I didn't want to ask them obvious. Mam, are you supporting Senator Obama? Of course we are! What do you think we're doing here? Shit, I can't send them into some bad ass AfAm neighborhood knocking on doors. I didn't have any lists ready for them to call folks. So I grabbed a stack of voter registration forms, two highlighters and put them to work. I came back in about an hour and they were ready for more.

Finally I had to ask the what, who, when, and why? They told me all the history of growing in NC as kids, about racism and politics, and good old Jesse Helms. I was truly captivated. But then I point blanked them and asked what prompted them to come down and volunteer today. Almost without hesitation it was the nomination of Sarah Palin that had gotten them so pissed that they had to get work. One of them stood up and started wagging her finger in the air and swearing. Looked like they had just come from church too.

But I say all of that to say this, Sarah Palin has the ability to make an emotional connection with voters. Those that like her and those that hate her. Mitt Romney, for all of his political savvy, doesn't have that. I'm willing to say Pawlenty doesn't either. I guess the real question is will some eighty year old women down in North Carolina or in somewhere in rural Pennsylvania see Mitt and Tim worthy enough to forfeit their Sunday afternoons. I can almost assure you that there are a few that would do it for Palin.

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