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Old 08-20-2009, 04:26 PM   #181
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One good thing, IMO, is that he got the F-22 canceled.

In my opinion, just like UHC should wait, so should advanced fighters/weapon systems.
Agree with the cancellation of the F-22, but because it was a very costly program and the Joint Strike Fighter F-35 will be more cost-effective and provide more capabilities than the F-22 and be fully operational within a few years.

Advanced weapons systems are what keeps us free. We can argue politcal views all day long, but it's because of these systems that we keep the right to do that.
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Old 08-20-2009, 04:34 PM   #182
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Agree with the cancellation of the F-22, but because it was a very costly program and the Joint Strike Fighter F-35 will be more cost-effective and provide more capabilities than the F-22 and be fully operational within a few years.

Advanced weapons systems are what keeps us free. We can argue politcal views all day long, but it's because of these systems that we keep the right to do that.
I agree to disagree, not worth going off-topic again. Note, I did not say to abolish forever though.
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Old 08-20-2009, 06:43 PM   #183
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I think the Obama deal is a true tax credit instead of just a write off. For example if I owe 3000 next year before my tax break when its applied I will only owe 1500. Under the Bush plan I really would only save at my current tax rate. So if I claimed 1000 for windows then that is not counted as income and I save 300 if I was at a tax rate of 30%. Under Obama's plan I can write off 30% of the total cost up $1500.
Gotcha...thanks for the explanation.
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Old 08-21-2009, 10:53 AM   #184
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Agree with the cancellation of the F-22, but because it was a very costly program and the Joint Strike Fighter F-35 will be more cost-effective and provide more capabilities than the F-22 and be fully operational within a few years.

Advanced weapons systems are what keeps us free. We can argue politcal views all day long, but it's because of these systems that we keep the right to do that.
Yeah, but the F22 is sooo coool

My sister is stationed at Eglin AFB and sent me this photo of the F35 in testing:

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a3...ennett/F35.jpg
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Old 08-21-2009, 01:26 PM   #185
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Very true...although it's interesting to note that when anyone mentioned how actions taken (or not taken) during the Clinton administration may have impacted the Bush administration that was usually brushed aside. Every president affects future presidents. It didn't just start with Bush/Obama
I know. Having all that excess money in the National Treasury must've been a real bitch.
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Old 08-21-2009, 01:28 PM   #186
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Bush positives: - concept of No Child Left Behind
- Tax cuts resulting in 52 consecutive months of job creation
- minimized federal funding of abortion
- Partial Birth Abortion Ban Act
- Global HIV/AIDS funding
- instrumental in expanding NATO alliance
- Roberts & Alito and other strict constructionalist judge appointments.
- consolidated and reformed intelligence sharing
- parts of Homeland Security (agencies under HS should've consolidated more to reduce costs not as much new spending)
- Bush Admin thwarted additional terrorist attempts to attack US citizens/interests.
- Afghanistan (should've had better long term strategy)
- Iraq (actual war well executed, long term strategy not-so-much.) Troop surge worked though.
- Response to early 2000s (Clinton) recession.
- Economic Stimulus Act (mostly tax rebates)
- Do Not Call Act
Can I have some of the acid you just dropped?
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Old 08-21-2009, 02:32 PM   #187
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Way to contribute dblanch66
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Old 08-21-2009, 03:10 PM   #188
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A few good reads here:

Obama Snares Palin, Media in Wide Blame-Game Net: Caroline Baum - Bloomberg.com

Obama Needs Confidence Boost - George's Bottom Line

Charlie Cook: Dem situation has 'slipped completely out of control' - The Scorecard - POLITICO.com
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Old 08-21-2009, 03:37 PM   #189
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Yeah, but the F22 is sooo coool

My sister is stationed at Eglin AFB and sent me this photo of the F35 in testing:

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a3...ennett/F35.jpg
That's an awesome pic. It makes a great desktop wallpaper too. Thx.
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Old 08-21-2009, 03:45 PM   #190
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Can I have some of the acid you just dropped?
Surprise, a lefty from LA disagrees. You're right though:
- the concept of helping all children succeed in school, especially in lower and mid-lower income areas, and holding schools accountable for performance is a crappy idea.
- so is stopping Partial Birth abortion
- the Bush Admin of course had nothing to do with stopping terrorist attacks from 2001-2008.
- who cares about the millions in Africa that Bush approved funding saved from AIDS & death.
- we should've never went after Bin Laden and the Taliban, we deserved 9/11.
- I enjoy telemarketing calls at dinnertime.

I'll just drop another hit, how silly of me to even post.
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Real Time Economics
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Employment and Recession: More Job Losses to ComeEconomists React: ‘Scary’ Employment ReportJanuary 9, 2009, 12:04 PM ET.Bush On Jobs: The Worst Track Record On Record



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President George W. Bush entered office in 2001 just as a recession was starting, and is preparing to leave in the middle of a long one. That’s almost 22 months of recession during his 96 months in office.

His job-creation record won’t look much better. The Bush administration created about three million jobs (net) over its eight years, a fraction of the 23 million jobs created under President Bill Clinton’s administration and only slightly better than President George H.W. Bush did in his four years in office
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Old 08-22-2009, 12:49 AM   #193
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President George W. Bush entered office in 2001 just as a recession was starting, and is preparing to leave in the middle of a long one. That’s almost 22 months of recession during his 96 months in office.

His job-creation record won’t look much better. The Bush administration created about three million jobs (net) over its eight years, a fraction of the 23 million jobs created under President Bill Clinton’s administration and only slightly better than President George H.W. Bush did in his four years in office
taken from a wall street journal article. not sure where SS33 is getting his info from
Here's where I got my info and it is fact. The Bush Admin oversaw 52 consecutive months of job growth, which is unprecedented. You can put whatever context you want around it to frame it against Clinton/Reagan, but it happened and it was a good thing.

Biography of George W. Bush

More backup sources:

http://www.commerce.gov/s/groups/pub...d01_005067.pdf

U.S. Budget and Economy: Are the 52 Months of Job Growth Under Bush Significant?

there are many more sources I could cite. Even those who aren't fans of Bush can't argue the facts:

George W. Bush on Jobs


Not a good idea to post from unedited WSJ blogs and say my facts are wrong.

Bush On Jobs: The Worst Track Record On Record - Real Time Economics - WSJ
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Old 08-22-2009, 06:06 AM   #194
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well, if he only gained a total of 3 million jobs the entire 8 years in office, must of been gaining a couple of hundred at a clip( to claim 52 cons.)
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well, if he only gained a total of 3 million jobs the entire 8 years in office, must of been gaining a couple of hundred at a clip( to claim 52 cons.)
52 cons. months X a couple hundred at a clip = 10,400 total jobs. Doesn't quite make sense.

It's amazing how far some will go will skew facts to serve their own personal adgenda. Obviously in your eyes, even when Bush did things well, you hated him enough to think he did NOTHING right.
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