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Old 10-02-2009, 11:02 AM   #1
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September unemployment is 9.8 percent

What's even scarier in this article is the talk of how many people have stopped looking for jobs.

Jobless rate reaches 9.8 percent in September - Yahoo! News

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If laid-off workers who have settled for part-time work or have given up looking for new jobs are included, the unemployment rate rose to 17 percent, the highest on records dating from 1994.

More than a half-million unemployed people gave up looking for work last month. Had they continued searching, the official jobless rate would have been higher.

All told, 15.1 million Americans are now out of work, the department said. And more than 7.2 million jobs have been eliminated since the recession began in December 2007.
Not a bashing thread. More a thankful that I have a job thread. My employer has always been a cash first business, and we have a stable client base. I am very thankful that I have my job!
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Old 10-02-2009, 11:07 AM   #2
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So at what point do we declare that the stimulas bill didn't work or do we just keep waiting until things to turn around to declare its was a sucess?
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Old 10-02-2009, 11:20 AM   #3
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So at what point do we declare that the stimulas bill didn't work or do we just keep waiting until things to turn around to declare its was a sucess?
Well to make a declaration like that you have to do a lot more digging than just looking at September's 9.8% and summarily passing judgment.

You have to analyze jobs to ascertain:

- How many people would be unemployed if the stimulus wasn't passed? Would it be more than 9.8%?

- How many people have adjusted their standard of living? For example, my wife became a stay at home mom last month. She's not looking for another job, but she doesn't want one either.

- How many jobs have been created by stimulus funds to date? How many are planned?

- How many jobs have been created/lost thanks to economic conditions. These creations/losses would happen regardless of stimulus.

It's a complicated exercise to accurately determine whether stimulus worked. Don't be a headline grabber when it comes to this stuff, focusing on the headlines leads to thoughtless debate and a lack of critical thinking.
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Old 10-02-2009, 12:07 PM   #4
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Re: September unemployment is 9.8 percent

Well said Schneed
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Old 10-02-2009, 12:08 PM   #5
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Well to make a declaration like that you have to do a lot more digging than just looking at September's 9.8% and summarily passing judgment.

You have to analyze jobs to ascertain:

- How many people would be unemployed if the stimulus wasn't passed? Would it be more than 9.8%?

- How many people have adjusted their standard of living? For example, my wife became a stay at home mom last month. She's not looking for another job, but she doesn't want one either.

- How many jobs have been created by stimulus funds to date? How many are planned?

- How many jobs have been created/lost thanks to economic conditions. These creations/losses would happen regardless of stimulus.

It's a complicated exercise to accurately determine whether stimulus worked. Don't be a headline grabber when it comes to this stuff, focusing on the headlines leads to thoughtless debate and a lack of critical thinking.
The stimulas is one of those things that the left will at some point will say it worked and the right will point to stuff and say it failed and we will never know. You and your wife are like us and made the decision for her to stay at home with the little one which is great for the child. My wife actually has an at home business which does bring in 4 to 5 grand a year.
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Job losses moderated in August, but the unemployment rate ticked up 0.1 percentage point to 9.8%, the highest level since June 1983.
There is no real way of slicing that to make it better, the current administration is failing plain and simple.
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I think it's worth noting this is the time of year where a lot of seasonal employment comes to an end. College kids are back to school, and in areas like the northeast you have a lot of people laid off this time of year as contracting work, landscaping, etc. is winding down.
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There is no real way of slicing that to make it better, the current administration is failing plain and simple.
If I'm correct that number does not even enclude the self employed that have had to close the doors.
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Well to make a declaration like that you have to do a lot more digging than just looking at September's 9.8% and summarily passing judgment.

You have to analyze jobs to ascertain:

- How many people would be unemployed if the stimulus wasn't passed? Would it be more than 9.8%?

- How many people have adjusted their standard of living? For example, my wife became a stay at home mom last month. She's not looking for another job, but she doesn't want one either.

- How many jobs have been created by stimulus funds to date? How many are planned?

- How many jobs have been created/lost thanks to economic conditions. These creations/losses would happen regardless of stimulus.

It's a complicated exercise to accurately determine whether stimulus worked. Don't be a headline grabber when it comes to this stuff, focusing on the headlines leads to thoughtless debate and a lack of critical thinking.
-You also have to factor in how many anti-aircraft carrier missiles the CHICOMS can buy with the interest off the money we've borrowed from them.
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What's even scarier in this article is the talk of how many people have stopped looking for jobs.

Jobless rate reaches 9.8 percent in September - Yahoo! News



Not a bashing thread. More a thankful that I have a job thread. My employer has always been a cash first business, and we have a stable client base. I am very thankful that I have my job!
damn, one day i'll learn, you can't have a politics thread without bashing. I am thankful I have a job that affords me the opportunity to pay bills, provide for my kids as best I can, and at a company that will be viable for the short and hopefully long term.
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I think it's worth noting this is the time of year where a lot of seasonal employment comes to an end. College kids are back to school, and in areas like the northeast you have a lot of people laid off this time of year as contracting work, landscaping, etc. is winding down.
Well its not like unemployment just jumped 2% its been getting higher all summer.
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damn, one day i'll learn, you can't have a politics thread without bashing. I am thankful I have a job that affords me the opportunity to pay bills, provide for my kids as best I can, and at a company that will be viable for the short and hopefully long term.
I'm glad you've a good job and your family is doing well.
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I think it's worth noting this is the time of year where a lot of seasonal employment comes to an end. College kids are back to school, and in areas like the northeast you have a lot of people laid off this time of year as contracting work, landscaping, etc. is winding down.
As first down pointed out, it's been getting higher all summer, but your logic is not spot on either. When kids go back to school, they vacate positions that employers usually try to fill, also, no kid files at the unemployment office. To add to this, A LOT of companies are already gearing up for black friday and the holidays and starting to train employees to know how to service customers for the holidays...sure more will occur at the end of this month, but I am already prepared for my holidays as are several other companies and replaced our student employees.

About landscaping work and contract work, that is a valid argument if all summer wasn't declining in unemployment rate. So what is the current administration doing to fix this issue? Worst rate since 83 and predicted to hit 10% by end of the year! Instead, he's off in Denmark pitching for Chicago to get the olypics, which was an epic fail since we were predicted to rival Rio, and we were first one dismissed.
I think your best argument would have been backing it up with historical data at this time of year, not blindly supporting who you voted for. We ALL know if this was Bush, this would be a public uproar and cry for impeachment...but it's Obama, therefore he's untouchable.
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im really thankful i have a good job. nice try for a thread C
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Since I get paid with taxpayers money, I may sweat when next year's budget is finalized. Luckily, Virginia's unemployment isn't "terrible".
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