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Old 11-04-2009, 11:33 AM   #16
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I wont come back to the Republican Party until the vocal leaders like Limbaugh and Beck are silenced or somehow the party distances themselves. A Hypocrite drug addict and a guy who literally crys on TV...pathetic. Beck is really got to go. What happened to the John Warners, Dolyes, Reagans of this party...Cantor does give me hope...but dont look for my vote until I start seeing actions and actual ideas instead of constant complaining and whinning. All I got for leadership is Palin? horrible, Bush Vol 2 was worse than his father...No leadership has killed the conservative movement, used to be the best organized and could communicate their message much better than the Dems.
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Old 11-04-2009, 11:39 AM   #17
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I wont come back to the Republican Party until the vocal leaders like Limbaugh and Beck are silenced or somehow the party distances themselves. A Hypocrite drug addict and a guy who literally crys on TV...pathetic. Beck is really got to go. What happened to the John Warners, Dolyes, Reagans of this party...Cantor does give me hope...but dont look for my vote until I start seeing actions and actual ideas instead of constant complaining and whinning. All I got for leadership is Palin? horrible, Bush Vol 2 was worse than his father...No leadership has killed the conservative movement, used to be the best organized and could communicate their message much better than the Dems.
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Old 11-04-2009, 12:11 PM   #18
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Congrats to the Repubs. I was so indifferent about this race. I think overall this shows that the people arent too happy with Obama and Dems.

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Old 11-04-2009, 12:15 PM   #19
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I wont come back to the Republican Party until the vocal leaders like Limbaugh and Beck are silenced or somehow the party distances themselves. A Hypocrite drug addict and a guy who literally crys on TV...pathetic. Beck is really got to go. What happened to the John Warners, Dolyes, Reagans of this party...Cantor does give me hope...but dont look for my vote until I start seeing actions and actual ideas instead of constant complaining and whinning. All I got for leadership is Palin? horrible, Bush Vol 2 was worse than his father...No leadership has killed the conservative movement, used to be the best organized and could communicate their message much better than the Dems.

Don't worry. If you like John McCain, John Warner, and Eric Cantor, there is a place for you. It's called the Democrat Party. They have a socially conservative / socialist economic wing to their party. You might find some friends there.

I'm not trying to be cute either. There's no use in having all of your eggs in one basket. I'd vote for an independent or a libertarian if there was one worth voting for. If you want a socially liberal / fiscally conservative candidate, be a libertarian.

The Republicans are who they are.
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Old 11-04-2009, 12:41 PM   #20
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I wont come back to the Republican Party until the vocal leaders like Limbaugh and Beck are silenced or somehow the party distances themselves. A Hypocrite drug addict and a guy who literally crys on TV...pathetic. Beck is really got to go. What happened to the John Warners, Dolyes, Reagans of this party...Cantor does give me hope...but dont look for my vote until I start seeing actions and actual ideas instead of constant complaining and whinning. All I got for leadership is Palin? horrible, Bush Vol 2 was worse than his father...No leadership has killed the conservative movement, used to be the best organized and could communicate their message much better than the Dems.
Never knew Limbaugh and Beck ran the party and last time I checked they have all the right to say what they want. Do you now support the Dems? If you watched any of the race in NY they went after the Rep. running there and through their support behind the conservative party guy (forgot his name).
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Old 11-04-2009, 12:46 PM   #21
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Honestly, I think last night's results were a toss up. Losing a NJ and VA were a blow to the Dems, but it's more of a media story than any clear indictment of Obama. I know people will spin it a lot of different ways, but exit polling and low voter turnout suggest otherwise.

The results in NY-23, I believe, dealt a much more damaging blow to the Republican party than either gubernatorial lost. You had the GOP establishment publicly endorse DeDe Scozzafava, only to back away from her after Sarah Palin, Fred Thompson, Tim Pawlenty and few others decided they wanted to endorse Doug Hoffman, a conservative. Hoffman, who doesn't live in the district, received less than five percent of his donations from people living in the district, nor could he answer one solid question when interviewed about the very seat he was running for, was an embarrassment to begin with.

The rest is history.

For the first time in over 100 years a Democrat holds the seat in NY-23. Mind boggling if you think about. The GOP had better figure out how to get a hold of Palin, Limbaugh and Beck fast. Sure free speech is one thing, but when you're a publicly elected official you ought to have the common sense and political savvy to stay out of local races that you know nothing about. Especially if a Republican has held the seat for over a century.
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Old 11-04-2009, 01:35 PM   #22
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Honestly, I think last night's results were a toss up. Losing a NJ and VA were a blow to the Dems, but it's more of a media story than any clear indictment of Obama. I know people will spin it a lot of different ways, but exit polling and low voter turnout suggest otherwise.

The results in NY-23, I believe, dealt a much more damaging blow to the Republican party than either gubernatorial lost. You had the GOP establishment publicly endorse DeDe Scozzafava, only to back away from her after Sarah Palin, Fred Thompson, Tim Pawlenty and few others decided they wanted to endorse Doug Hoffman, a conservative. Hoffman, who doesn't live in the district, received less than five percent of his donations from people living in the district, nor could he answer one solid question when interviewed about the very seat he was running for, was an embarrassment to begin with.

The rest is history.

For the first time in over 100 years a Democrat holds the seat in NY-23. Mind boggling if you think about. The GOP had better figure out how to get a hold of Palin, Limbaugh and Beck fast. Sure free speech is one thing, but when you're a publicly elected official you ought to have the common sense and political savvy to stay out of local races that you know nothing about. Especially if a Republican has held the seat for over a century.
See I see that as a success for the conservatives because DeDe was more liberal then anything else but still she got the backing of the Rep. party. She had very little support of the voters and I have no idea what the Rep. party thought when they supported her. I think it sent a wake up call to the party about who they support and it was clear from the people they will not stand for that joke of a person.
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See I see that as a success for the conservatives because DeDe was more liberal then anything else but still she got the backing of the Rep. party. She had very little support of the voters and I have no idea what the Rep. party thought when they supported her. I think it sent a wake up call to the party about who they support and it was clear from the people they will not stand for that joke of a person.
Bro, that strategy is simply flawed. You can't effect policy if you're not at the table. Who gives a shit what message you're sending? DeDe probably would have won had she stayed in the race. Yeah, she's a liberal Republican, if there's such a thing. But guess what, now you guys lost the seat altogether. So how is that a positive? And if DeDe was joke, what does it say about Doug Hoffman who lost the seat for the first time in over 100 years? Fail big time.

The message here, don't meddle with local politics. The political climate of NY-23 is much different than, let's say, Dade county. You just can't apply this cookie cutter conservatism to every race accross the board and expect voters to respond because they fall into the conservative camp. It's a losing strategy. But hey, go for it.
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Old 11-04-2009, 01:58 PM   #24
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I would take a Blue Dog over any Republican. It's a hard pill but if you don't have a majority you can't implement your agenda. Hardcore Conservatives fail to see that and happy about that. Viva la stupid.
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Old 11-04-2009, 02:07 PM   #25
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I would take a Blue Dog over any Republican. It's a hard pill but if you don't have a majority you can't implement your agenda. Hardcore Conservatives fail to see that and happy about that. Viva la stupid.
Name some hardcore conservative agenda items that were implemented when the Republicans were in power on a national level. I can't really think of any besides tax cuts.

I'm more than happy to have a Conservative as our Governor. You can spin it any way you want. At the end of the day we won this time.

Perhaps we can lower the business taxes and get even more of the businesses that are fleeing from the North. If we can drill off our coast we'll have cheap oil that we don't have to buy from anyone and get money back from what we sell, just like in Alaska.
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Name some hardcore conservative agenda items that were implemented when the Republicans were in power on a national level. I can't really think of any besides tax cuts.

I'm more than happy to have a Conservative as our Governor. You can spin it any way you want. At the end of the day we won this time.

Perhaps we can lower the business taxes and get even more of the businesses that are fleeing from the North. If we can drill off our coast we'll have cheap oil that we don't have to buy from anyone and get money back from what we sell, just like in Alaska.
That's actually a good question. May ask you, what are the hardcore conservative agenda items? Outside of the social issues, I'm not familiar with many, other than tax cuts and smaller government.
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Smaller government means what? Defund schools, hospitals, and museums. Then spend all the surplus money on millitary contractors and police. Seems liek the same ole bigger government aka wealth redistribution to me. Instead of building the social infrastructure we send billions to millitary contractors. Find me a real contrast. Both Democrats and Republicans are socilaists, learned that from tramp (trample the elderly). both want huge deficits and bigger govermnment i.e. Ronald Reagan.
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Name some hardcore conservative agenda items that were implemented when the Republicans were in power on a national level. I can't really think of any besides tax cuts.

I'm more than happy to have a Conservative as our Governor. You can spin it any way you want. At the end of the day we won this time.

Perhaps we can lower the business taxes and get even more of the businesses that are fleeing from the North. If we can drill off our coast we'll have cheap oil that we don't have to buy from anyone and get money back from what we sell, just like in Alaska.
None of significance because no one is as stupid as a hardcore conservatives. You will never see that agenda see daylight and reason is because no Republican is going to stick out his/her neck for it. The numbers aren't simply there and allusion to that is all smokes and mirrors. For a big country with so many tugging vested interest the idea of a small government is impossible.

You won VA, I'll give you that...NJ is a tried and true blue state so I'm not worried about that. We really won NY 23 which means Dems have one more solid blue guy in the house. Like 12thMan said, it's a toss-up.
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Smaller government means what? Defund schools, hospitals, and museums. Then spend all the surplus money on millitary contractors and police. Seems liek the same ole bigger government aka wealth redistribution to me. Instead of building the social infrastructure we send billions to millitary contractors. Find me a real contrast. Both Democrats and Republicans are socilaists, learned that from tramp (trample the elderly). both want huge deficits and bigger govermnment i.e. Ronald Reagan.
I think there's an argument to made that both parties adhere to socialist tenets more than they are willing to admit.
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None of significance because no one is as stupid as a hardcore conservatives. You will never see that agenda see daylight and reason is because no Republican is going to stick out his/her neck for it. The numbers aren't simply there and allusion to that is all smokes and mirrors. For a big country with so many tugging vested interest the idea of a small government is impossible.

You won VA, I'll give you that...NJ is a tried and true blue state so I'm not worried about that. We really won NY 23 which means Dems have one more solid blue guy in the house. Like 12thMan said, it's a toss-up.
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