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Old 12-04-2009, 01:16 PM   #31
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wouldn't one be alittle naive to think we can put all of this crap into the air, water, and underground, without any consequences? im no scientist, but it seems like common sense
it is common sense, there are impacts. But is Global Warming one of those impacts? There's no definitive proof.
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wouldn't one be alittle naive to think we can put all of this crap into the air, water, and underground, without any consequences? im no scientist, but it seems like common sense

I think there are negative consequences via the acts of modern man but i also think we need to find out if they outweigh the benefits of having a modern society.

Just like recycling. Does it make you feel good to do it, sure. But does the practice of consumer recycling outweigh the costs attributed to the act?


"Recycling ... Is Garbage" by John Tierney
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Old 12-04-2009, 02:13 PM   #33
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So is the intent of this thread to somehow discredit Al Gore and Democrats on this issue, and more broadly global warming? Or is the intent to actually discuss the scientific facts supporting both sides of the argument. Because there are facts on both sides. I'm just curious.

For the record, I'm not interested in joining the debate I just want to boost my post count
The point of the thread is to expose something being ignored by the media except for Fox News...global warming has been proven to be a hoax supported by "adjusted" facts and cover-ups to avoid compliance with the equivalent of the Freedom of Information Act.

The final nail has been put in the coffin, but hardly anyone knows about it because the media has an agenda.

It appears the scientists and supporters of global warming came up with their conclusion and goal FIRST...then created the support to "prove" themselves right. It's completely backwards and a sad state of science when it is propelled by politics rather than discovery of the truth.
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Old 12-04-2009, 02:17 PM   #34
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this is a ridiculous statement
Gore's bank statements say otherwise. He has turned this hoax into an industry, driven by companies looking to profit, from light bulb manufacturers to utility companies to distributors of imaginary "carbon credits". He flies around on private jets, polluting more than anyone to lecture US on limiting pollution. Government at every level places rules and restrictions on citizens based on his tales and fear tactics of global warming. He's a liar and hypocrite and finally, he's been debunked...if it's ever allowed to become common knowledge as it should.

Gore once famously screeched "HE BETRAYED OUR COUNTRY, HE PLAYED ON OUR FEARS" about the President. It appears Al Gore himself is the real perpetrator of the very claims he violently screamed.
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Global Warming Fast FactsNational Geographic News



Yes. Earth is already showing many signs of worldwide climate change.

• Average temperatures have climbed 1.4 degrees Fahrenheit (0.8 degree Celsius) around the world since 1880, much of this in recent decades, according to NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies.

• The rate of warming is increasing. The 20th century's last two decades were the hottest in 400 years and possibly the warmest for several millennia, according to a number of climate studies. And the United Nations' Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) reports that 11 of the past 12 years are among the dozen warmest since 1850.

• The Arctic is feeling the effects the most. Average temperatures in Alaska, western Canada, and eastern Russia have risen at twice the global average, according to the multinational Arctic Climate Impact Assessment report compiled between 2000 and 2004.

• Arctic ice is rapidly disappearing, and the region may have its first completely ice-free summer by 2040 or earlier. Polar bears and indigenous cultures are already suffering from the sea-ice loss.

• Glaciers and mountain snows are rapidly melting—for example, Montana's Glacier National Park now has only 27 glaciers, versus 150 in 1910. In the Northern Hemisphere, thaws also come a week earlier in spring and freezes begin a week later.

• Coral reefs, which are highly sensitive to small changes in water temperature, suffered the worst bleaching—or die-off in response to stress—ever recorded in 1998, with some areas seeing bleach rates of 70 percent. Experts expect these sorts of events to increase in frequency and intensity in the next 50 years as sea temperatures rise.

• An upsurge in the amount of extreme weather events, such as wildfires, heat waves, and strong tropical storms, is also attributed in part to climate change by some experts.

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the earth goes through phases it is a living entity, did man cause the ice age?
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Old 12-04-2009, 03:39 PM   #37
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"Very likely," the IPCC said in a February 2007 report.

The report, based on the work of some 2,500 scientists in more than 130 countries, concluded that humans have caused all or most of the current planetary warming. Human-caused global warming is often called anthropogenic climate change.


• Industrialization, deforestation, and pollution have greatly increased atmospheric concentrations of water vapor, carbon dioxide, methane, and nitrous oxide, all greenhouse gases that help trap heat near Earth's surface. (See an interactive feature on how global warming works.)

• Humans are pouring carbon dioxide into the atmosphere much faster than plants and oceans can absorb it.

• These gases persist in the atmosphere for years, meaning that even if such emissions were eliminated today, it would not immediately stop global warming.

• Some experts point out that natural cycles in Earth's orbit can alter the planet's exposure to sunlight, which may explain the current trend. Earth has indeed experienced warming and cooling cycles roughly every hundred thousand years due to these orbital shifts, but such changes have occurred over the span of several centuries. Today's changes have taken place over the past hundred years or less.

• Other recent research has suggested that the effects of variations in the sun's output are "negligible" as a factor in warming, but other, more complicated solar mechanisms could possibly play a role.
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the earth goes through phases it is a living entity, did man cause the ice age?
Yes , because man stopped driving cars , started making " fake " snow = for skiing ... and Firstdown drank antifreeze before pi$$ing off his boat . In all seriousness , I'am 100% in favor of cleaner water , air , just about anything we can use to our advantage as far as buying less oil from outside our borders .
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Global Warming Fast FactsNational Geographic News



Yes. Earth is already showing many signs of worldwide climate change.

• Average temperatures have climbed 1.4 degrees Fahrenheit (0.8 degree Celsius) around the world since 1880, much of this in recent decades, according to NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies.

• The rate of warming is increasing. The 20th century's last two decades were the hottest in 400 years and possibly the warmest for several millennia, according to a number of climate studies. And the United Nations' Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) reports that 11 of the past 12 years are among the dozen warmest since 1850.

• The Arctic is feeling the effects the most. Average temperatures in Alaska, western Canada, and eastern Russia have risen at twice the global average, according to the multinational Arctic Climate Impact Assessment report compiled between 2000 and 2004.

• Arctic ice is rapidly disappearing, and the region may have its first completely ice-free summer by 2040 or earlier. Polar bears and indigenous cultures are already suffering from the sea-ice loss.

• Glaciers and mountain snows are rapidly melting—for example, Montana's Glacier National Park now has only 27 glaciers, versus 150 in 1910. In the Northern Hemisphere, thaws also come a week earlier in spring and freezes begin a week later.

• Coral reefs, which are highly sensitive to small changes in water temperature, suffered the worst bleaching—or die-off in response to stress—ever recorded in 1998, with some areas seeing bleach rates of 70 percent. Experts expect these sorts of events to increase in frequency and intensity in the next 50 years as sea temperatures rise.

• An upsurge in the amount of extreme weather events, such as wildfires, heat waves, and strong tropical storms, is also attributed in part to climate change by some experts.

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What scientist provided them with that info? 2008 was the coldest in a decade. What happened to all those major hurricans we where told that would increase each year?
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What scientist provided them with that info?
scienist that beleive in global warming
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Yes , because man stopped driving cars , started making " fake " snow = for skiing ... and Firstdown drank antifreeze before pi$$ing off his boat . In all seriousness , I'am 100% in favor of cleaner water , air , just about anything we can use to our advantage as far as buying less oil from outside our borders .
If I won the lottery I would get a Prius as my daily driver, not because I want to save the Earth, or fit in with my new rich friends , but because I want America independent on foreign oil.

Being wasteful and purposely polluting or littering is wrong, but forcing others to believe in something you do is wrong too. To tax the hell out of everyone based on their carbon output is ridiculous, when the tax comes from unproven and manipulated “facts”.
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scienist that beleive in global warming
So much so they cook the numbers to prove their point.
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If I won the lottery I would get a Prius as my daily driver,
i'm gonna go ahead and call bullshit on that one
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If I won the lottery I would get a Prius as my daily driver, not because I want to save the Earth, or fit in with my new rich friends , but because I want America independent on foreign oil.

Being wasteful and purposely polluting or littering is wrong, but forcing others to believe in something you do is wrong too. To tax the hell out of everyone based on their carbon output is ridiculous, when the tax comes from unproven and manipulated “facts”.
Just don't pull out infront of me in that Prius while I'm driving my gas sucking Full Size Yukon while pulling my 24 1/2 foot boat drinking beer and chunking the cans out the windows. Actually I don't know why anyone that does not need to drive around one of those full size SUV's do. I drove that Yukon to work for a week and burned over $100 in fuel and my other SUV I burn around $45 per week. The only reason I have it is I need the size and power to pull my boat but thats the only reason.
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Victor Miguel Ponce is professor of civil and environmental engineering at San Diego State University. His specialty is hydrology, environmental science, and sustainable development.


The Earth was formed about 4,540,000,000 years ago.

In the beginning, the Earth's atmosphere contained very little oxygen (less than 1% oxygen pressure).

Early plants started to develop more than 2 billion years ago, probably about 2,700,000,000.

Through photosynthesis, plants uptake carbon dioxide into the biosphere as organic matter, and release oxygen as a byproduct.

Through geologic time, oxygen accumulated gradually in the atmosphere, reaching a value of about 21% of atmospheric gases at the present time.

Through geologic time, surplus organic matter has been sequestered in the lithosphere as fossil organic materials (coal, petroleum, and natural gas).

Early animals (the first organisms with external shells) started to develop around 600,000,000 years ago.

Animals operate in the opposite way than plants: they take up oxygen, burn organic matter (food), and release carbon dioxide as a byproduct.

Early humans (Australopithecus anamensis) began to develop about 4,100,000 years ago.

Cool climatic conditions have prevailed during the past 1,000,000 years. The species Homo sapiens evolved under these climatic conditions.

Homo sapiens dates back to more than 400,000 years.

Estimates for the variety Homo sapiens sapiens, to which all humans belong, range from 130,000 to 195,000 years old.

The concentration of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere was as low as 190 ppm during the last Ice Age, about 21,000 years ago.

The last Ice Age began to recede about 20,000 years ago.

The agricultural revolution, where humans converted forests and rangelands into farms, began to develop about 10,000 years ago.

The agricultural revolution caused a reduction in standing biomass in the biosphere and reduced the uptake of carbon dioxide in midlatitudinal regions, indirectly contributing, however so slightly, to global warming.

The concentration of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere increased gradually from a low of 190 ppm 21,000 year ago, to about 290 ppm in the year 1900, i.e., at an average rate of 0.00478 ppm per year.

The industrial revolution, where humans developed machines (artificial animals, since they consume fuels, which are mostly organic matter), began in England about 240 years ago (1767).


In October 1999, the world's population reached 6,000,000,000, which is double that of the year 1959 (the doubling occurred in 40 years).


The world's population is currently increasing at the rate of about 80,000,000 per year (about 1.2 %).

The current world population is 6,781,000,000 (September 1, 2009).

The global fleet of motor vehicles is estimated at 830,000,000 (2006).


The global fleet of motor vehicles has been recently growing at the rate of 16,000,000 per year.

Motor vehicles (cars, trucks, buses, and scooters) account for 80% of all transport-related energy use.

The concentration of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, which was at 290 ppm in the year 1900, rose to 316 ppm in 1959, or at an average 0.44 ppm per year.

Measurements of the concentration of carbon dioxide since 1959 (316 ppm) have revealed an increase to 387 ppm in 2009, or at an average 1.42 ppm per year.


The concentration of carbon dioxide has increased an average of about 1.8 ppm per year over the past two decades.

The concentration of carbon dioxide increased 2.87 ppm in 1997-98, more than in any other year of record.

The year 1998 was the warmest of record. The year 2002 was the second warmest (to that date). The year 2003 was the third warmest (to that date). The year 2004 was the fourth warmest (to that date). The year 2005 equaled 1998 as the warmest of record. The year 2007 equaled 1998 as the second warmest of record. The ten warmest years have occurred in the twelve-year period 1997-2008.

About 75% of the annual increase in atmospheric carbon dioxide is due to the burning of fossil fuels.

The remaining 25% is attributed to anthropogenic changes in land use, which have the effect of reducing the net uptake of carbon dioxide.

Anthropogenic changes in land use occur when forests are converted to rangelands, rangelands to agriculture, and agriculture to urban areas.

Other patterns of land degradation--deforestation, overgrazing, overcultivation, desertification, and salinization--reduce the net uptake of carbon dioxide, indirectly contributing, however slightly, to global warming.
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