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Old 12-05-2009, 10:57 AM   #46
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Well last night one of the major networks did a story on climategate. They did not give any details about what was really in the emails and only made it out to be something that crazy anti global warming people where talking about on the internet. Its like they ran the story because they had but did not want to do.
they ran the same type of story on headline news(a sister network of cnn), this morning, it was bs, i tried to explain to my fiancee what it really was but seemed not to care, she beleives in global warming btw
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Old 12-05-2009, 03:47 PM   #47
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^and they probably say it's all lies and won't bother to actually check it out
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Old 12-10-2009, 10:41 AM   #48
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More than 1,700 scientists have agreed to sign a statement defending the "professional integrity" of global warming research. They were responding to a round-robin request from the Met Office, which has spent four days collecting signatures. The initiative is a sign of how worried it is that e-mails stolen from the University of East Anglia are fueling skepticism about man-made global warming at a critical moment in talks on carbon emissions.

One scientist said that he felt under pressure to sign the circular or risk losing work. The Met Office admitted that many of the signatories did not work on climate change.

Top scientists rally to the defence of the Met Office - Times Online
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Old 12-10-2009, 01:08 PM   #49
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What's Going to Happen?

A follow-up report by the IPCC released in April 2007 warned that global warming could lead to large-scale food and water shortages and have catastrophic effects on wildlife.

• Sea level could rise between 7 and 23 inches (18 to 59 centimeters) by century's end, the IPCC's February 2007 report projects. Rises of just 4 inches (10 centimeters) could flood many South Seas islands and swamp large parts of Southeast Asia.

• Some hundred million people live within 3 feet (1 meter) of mean sea level, and much of the world's population is concentrated in vulnerable coastal cities. In the U.S., Louisiana and Florida are especially at risk.

• Glaciers around the world could melt, causing sea levels to rise while creating water shortages in regions dependent on runoff for fresh water.

• Strong hurricanes, droughts, heat waves, wildfires, and other natural disasters may become commonplace in many parts of the world. The growth of deserts may also cause food shortages in many places.

• More than a million species face extinction from disappearing habitat, changing ecosystems, and acidifying oceans.

• The ocean's circulation system, known as the ocean conveyor belt, could be permanently altered, causing a mini-ice age in Western Europe and other rapid changes.

• At some point in the future, warming could become uncontrollable by creating a so-called positive feedback effect. Rising temperatures could release additional greenhouse gases by unlocking methane in permafrost and undersea deposits, freeing carbon trapped in sea ice, and causing increased evaporation of water.
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"So what should we do about the threat of global warming?

First, calm down.

Second, if the world is warming, it is much more reasonable to adjust to it, rather than try to stop it. If sea levels rise, we can build dykes and move back from the coasts. It worked for Holland.

Farmers can plant different crops or move north. Russian farmers farmed northern Siberia for centuries. When the area became cold and desolate, the farmers moved south.

Far better to keep studying global warming, let the science develop and adjust to it if it happens, rather than wreck life as we know it by trying to stop it. "
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im not sure what i believe. but i know that all of the years of dumping all this crap into the environment will catch up to us, sooner or later. that's why when i hear drill baby drill, i cringe. funny how that was a republican catch phrase during the election, but not one whisper of it now( from anyone)
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I wonder what a polar bear tastes like? I'd bet it's awesome with Sweet Baby Rays!
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Old 12-10-2009, 04:41 PM   #53
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im not sure what i believe. but i know that all of the years of dumping all this crap into the environment will catch up to us, sooner or later. that's why when i hear drill baby drill, i cringe. funny how that was a republican catch phrase during the election, but not one whisper of it now( from anyone)
atleast they would have been true to their word, unlike some people cough..obama, cough...bring troops home
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I wonder what a polar bear tastes like? I'd bet it's awesome with Sweet Baby Rays!
How great would it be to have one of these guys:

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Alright back to what i said before. If i win the lottery, im going to sport a Prius, but im gonna get a polor bear skin rug, and a little baby polor bear skin rug as my bathroom floor mat. Elegance meets green.
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Old 12-15-2009, 11:52 AM   #55
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This week at a speech at the Copenhagen climate talks, Gore said crumbling ice sheets, disappearing glaciers and the shrinking Arctic ice cap were feeding global warming and fuelling rising sea levels.

He cited new research from climatologist Dr Wieslaw Maslowski that showed the Arctic ice cap may have shrunk to record low-levels last year.

'Some of the models suggest to Dr. Maslowski that there is a 75 per cent chance that the entire polar ice cap during some summer months could be completely ice free within five to seven years,' Gore said.

But the American scientist rejected the claim.

'It’s unclear to me how this figure was arrived at,' Dr Maslowski said. 'I would never try to estimate likelihood at anything as exact as this.'
Dr Maslowki, who works at the U.S. Naval Postgraduate School in California, said that his latest results gave a six-year projection for the melting of 80 per cent of the ice, but said he expected some ice to remain beyond 2020.
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I was very explicit that we were talking about near-ice-free conditions and not completely ice-free conditions in the northern ocean,' he said.

'I would never try to estimate likelihood at anything as exact as this. It’s unclear to me how this figure was arrived at, based on the information I provided to Al Gore’s office.'

Mr Gore’s office later admitted that the figure of 75 per cent had been used by Dr Maslowksi as a 'ballpark figure' several years ago during a private conversation.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1236090/Inconvenient-truth-Al-Gore-hes-caught-exaggerating-threat-global-warming--again.html#ixzz0ZmEcVEWU
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Old 12-15-2009, 11:56 AM   #56
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I just realized that I have already used several foreign news articles. Why is the American media largely not reporting this stuff.
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Maybe if Tiger Woods banged a polar bear people would care about this story.
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im not sure what i believe. but i know that all of the years of dumping all this crap into the environment will catch up to us, sooner or later. that's why when i hear drill baby drill, i cringe. funny how that was a republican catch phrase during the election, but not one whisper of it now( from anyone)
Not so fast Dmek! I've been advocating drilling off of VA for awhile now. They've also said (VA Gov) they're going to look into high-speed rail too. They must be listening to me.

I've got a question. Why are there so many Pennsylvanians living in VA? This isn't a joke. Does PA suck that bad?
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I just realized that I have already used several foreign news articles. Why is the American media largely not reporting this stuff.
Daily Mail is a tabloid newspaper, one would hope our media doesn't follow their lead. BTW "Climategate" isn't as big of a deal as you think it is and there isn't much mischief going on. They're merely disregarding usage of tree rings to ascertain temperature measurements. I would have done the same. Why use a method that tells something different from temperature you've recorded with a thermometer? I would move alone if I were one of you people.

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The divergence problem is the disagreement between the temperatures measured by the thermometers (instrumental temperatures) on one side and the temperatures reconstructed from the widths of tree rings on the other side, in the northern forests.

While the thermometer records indicate a substantial warming trend, many tree rings do not display a corresponding change in their width. A temperature trend extracted from tree rings alone would not show any substantial warming. The temperature graphs calculated in these two ways thus "diverge" from one another since the 1950s, which is the origin of the term.
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im talking about people who matter. you know, the ones who make policy? not someone that is as irrelevant as you
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