Climategate

mlmdub130 · 12-10-2009, 01:26 PM

"So what should we do about the threat of global warming?

First, calm down.

Second, if the world is warming, it is much more reasonable to adjust to it, rather than try to stop it. If sea levels rise, we can build dykes and move back from the coasts. It worked for Holland.

Farmers can plant different crops or move north. Russian farmers farmed northern Siberia for centuries. When the area became cold and desolate, the farmers moved south.

Far better to keep studying global warming, let the science develop and adjust to it if it happens, rather than wreck life as we know it by trying to stop it. "

firstdown · 12-10-2009, 01:35 PM

So dmek25 you want us to believe all this from IPCC scientest that have been shown to be a fraud? How can anyone take anything they report now as serious factual information?

dmek25 · 12-10-2009, 02:49 PM

im not sure what i believe. but i know that all of the years of dumping all this crap into the environment will catch up to us, sooner or later. that's why when i hear drill baby drill, i cringe. funny how that was a republican catch phrase during the election, but not one whisper of it now( from anyone)

firstdown · 12-10-2009, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by dmek25

im not sure what i believe. but i know that all of the years of dumping all this crap into the environment will catch up to us, sooner or later. that's why when i hear drill baby drill, i cringe. funny how that was a republican catch phrase during the election, but not one whisper of it now( from anyone)

Well when the Dems have control how could the Rep. get more drilling passed. I know its not dead here in Va. and will probably become a bigger topic when our new Governor takes office. Well the fact is we need oil and why not use what we have here while we are coming up with ways to get away from our use of oil.

Trample the Elderly · 12-10-2009, 03:30 PM

I wonder what a polar bear tastes like? I'd bet it's awesome with Sweet Baby Rays!

mlmdub130 · 12-10-2009, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by dmek25

im not sure what i believe. but i know that all of the years of dumping all this crap into the environment will catch up to us, sooner or later. that's why when i hear drill baby drill, i cringe. funny how that was a republican catch phrase during the election, but not one whisper of it now( from anyone)

atleast they would have been true to their word, unlike some people cough..obama, cough...bring troops home

mlmpetert · 12-10-2009, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Trample the Elderly

I wonder what a polar bear tastes like? I'd bet it's awesome with Sweet Baby Rays!

How great would it be to have one of these guys:

Polar Bear Rugs - Polar Bear Rug for sale

Alright back to what i said before. If i win the lottery, im going to sport a Prius, but im gonna get a polor bear skin rug, and a little baby polor bear skin rug as my bathroom floor mat. Elegance meets green.

firstdown · 12-10-2009, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by mlmdub130

atleast they would have been true to their word, unlike some people cough..obama, cough...bring troops home

To be fair Obama said he would start pulling out of Iraq and put more resources in Afganistan which is pretty much what he is doing. He did wait 3 months to provide some of what they asked for while guys are dying at an increasing rate but he has done what he said.

mlmpetert · 12-15-2009, 11:52 AM

This week at a speech at the Copenhagen climate talks, Gore said crumbling ice sheets, disappearing glaciers and the shrinking Arctic ice cap were feeding global warming and fuelling rising sea levels.

He cited new research from climatologist Dr Wieslaw Maslowski that showed the Arctic ice cap may have shrunk to record low-levels last year.

'Some of the models suggest to Dr. Maslowski that there is a 75 per cent chance that the entire polar ice cap during some summer months could be completely ice free within five to seven years,' Gore said.

But the American scientist rejected the claim.

'It’s unclear to me how this figure was arrived at,' Dr Maslowski said. 'I would never try to estimate likelihood at anything as exact as this.'
Dr Maslowki, who works at the U.S. Naval Postgraduate School in California, said that his latest results gave a six-year projection for the melting of 80 per cent of the ice, but said he expected some ice to remain beyond 2020.
'
I was very explicit that we were talking about near-ice-free conditions and not completely ice-free conditions in the northern ocean,' he said.

'I would never try to estimate likelihood at anything as exact as this. It’s unclear to me how this figure was arrived at, based on the information I provided to Al Gore’s office.'

Mr Gore’s office later admitted that the figure of 75 per cent had been used by Dr Maslowksi as a 'ballpark figure' several years ago during a private conversation.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1236090/Inconvenient-truth-Al-Gore-hes-caught-exaggerating-threat-global-warming--again.html#ixzz0ZmEcVEWU

mlmpetert · 12-15-2009, 11:56 AM

I just realized that I have already used several foreign news articles. Why is the American media largely not reporting this stuff.

Mattyk · 12-15-2009, 12:10 PM

Maybe if Tiger Woods banged a polar bear people would care about this story.

Trample the Elderly · 12-15-2009, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by dmek25

im not sure what i believe. but i know that all of the years of dumping all this crap into the environment will catch up to us, sooner or later. that's why when i hear drill baby drill, i cringe. funny how that was a republican catch phrase during the election, but not one whisper of it now( from anyone)

Not so fast Dmek! I've been advocating drilling off of VA for awhile now. They've also said (VA Gov) they're going to look into high-speed rail too. They must be listening to me.

I've got a question. Why are there so many Pennsylvanians living in VA? This isn't a joke. Does PA suck that bad?

saden1 · 12-15-2009, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by mlmpetert

I just realized that I have already used several foreign news articles. Why is the American media largely not reporting this stuff.

Daily Mail is a tabloid newspaper, one would hope our media doesn't follow their lead. BTW "Climategate" isn't as big of a deal as you think it is and there isn't much mischief going on. They're merely disregarding usage of tree rings to ascertain temperature measurements. I would have done the same. Why use a method that tells something different from temperature you've recorded with a thermometer? I would move alone if I were one of you people.

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The divergence problem is the disagreement between the temperatures measured by the thermometers (instrumental temperatures) on one side and the temperatures reconstructed from the widths of tree rings on the other side, in the northern forests.

While the thermometer records indicate a substantial warming trend, many tree rings do not display a corresponding change in their width. A temperature trend extracted from tree rings alone would not show any substantial warming. The temperature graphs calculated in these two ways thus "diverge" from one another since the 1950s, which is the origin of the term.

dmek25 · 12-15-2009, 02:00 PM

im talking about people who matter. you know, the ones who make policy? not someone that is as irrelevant as you

firstdown · 12-15-2009, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Trample the Elderly

Not so fast Dmek! I've been advocating drilling off of VA for awhile now. They've also said (VA Gov) they're going to look into high-speed rail too. They must be listening to me.

I've got a question. Why are there so many Pennsylvanians living in VA? This isn't a joke. Does PA suck that bad?

In Tidewater Va I see more people from NJ and NY moving into our area to get away from the high cost of living and high taxes.

12-10-2009, 01:26 PM	#61
mlmdub130 Playmaker Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Woodbridge, VA Age: 30 Posts: 3,080	Re: Climategate "So what should we do about the threat of global warming? First, calm down. Second, if the world is warming, it is much more reasonable to adjust to it, rather than try to stop it. If sea levels rise, we can build dykes and move back from the coasts. It worked for Holland. Farmers can plant different crops or move north. Russian farmers farmed northern Siberia for centuries. When the area became cold and desolate, the farmers moved south. Far better to keep studying global warming, let the science develop and adjust to it if it happens, rather than wreck life as we know it by trying to stop it. " __________________ "I don't think anybody should have regrets, especially me, ... You don't regret what you do in your life. If you do it, you do it for a reason." ST21

12-10-2009, 01:35 PM	#62
firstdown Living Legend Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: chesapeake, va Age: 49 Posts: 15,206	Re: Climategate So dmek25 you want us to believe all this from IPCC scientest that have been shown to be a fraud? How can anyone take anything they report now as serious factual information?

12-10-2009, 02:49 PM	#63
dmek25 MVP Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: lancaster,pa Age: 51 Posts: 10,442	Re: Climategate im not sure what i believe. but i know that all of the years of dumping all this crap into the environment will catch up to us, sooner or later. that's why when i hear drill baby drill, i cringe. funny how that was a republican catch phrase during the election, but not one whisper of it now( from anyone) __________________ "It's better to be quiet and thought a fool than to open ones mouth and remove all doubt." courtesy of 53fan

12-10-2009, 03:30 PM	#65
Trample the Elderly Playmaker Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Three Chopt Virginia Age: 35 Posts: 2,906	Re: Climategate I wonder what a polar bear tastes like? I'd bet it's awesome with Sweet Baby Rays! __________________ A funny thing happened on the way to the temple. The moneychangers bought the priesthood.

12-15-2009, 11:52 AM	#69
mlmpetert Playmaker Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Richmond Posts: 3,208	Re: Climategate This week at a speech at the Copenhagen climate talks, Gore said crumbling ice sheets, disappearing glaciers and the shrinking Arctic ice cap were feeding global warming and fuelling rising sea levels. He cited new research from climatologist Dr Wieslaw Maslowski that showed the Arctic ice cap may have shrunk to record low-levels last year. 'Some of the models suggest to Dr. Maslowski that there is a 75 per cent chance that the entire polar ice cap during some summer months could be completely ice free within five to seven years,' Gore said. But the American scientist rejected the claim. 'It’s unclear to me how this figure was arrived at,' Dr Maslowski said. 'I would never try to estimate likelihood at anything as exact as this.' Dr Maslowki, who works at the U.S. Naval Postgraduate School in California, said that his latest results gave a six-year projection for the melting of 80 per cent of the ice, but said he expected some ice to remain beyond 2020. ' I was very explicit that we were talking about near-ice-free conditions and not completely ice-free conditions in the northern ocean,' he said. 'I would never try to estimate likelihood at anything as exact as this. It’s unclear to me how this figure was arrived at, based on the information I provided to Al Gore’s office.' Mr Gore’s office later admitted that the figure of 75 per cent had been used by Dr Maslowksi as a 'ballpark figure' several years ago during a private conversation. Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1236090/Inconvenient-truth-Al-Gore-hes-caught-exaggerating-threat-global-warming--again.html#ixzz0ZmEcVEWU __________________ https://constitutionminute.hillsdale.edu/episode1

12-15-2009, 11:56 AM	#70
mlmpetert Playmaker Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Richmond Posts: 3,208	Re: Climategate I just realized that I have already used several foreign news articles. Why is the American media largely not reporting this stuff. __________________ https://constitutionminute.hillsdale.edu/episode1

12-15-2009, 12:10 PM	#71
Mattyk ‎\m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 40 Posts: 72,722	Re: Climategate Maybe if Tiger Woods banged a polar bear people would care about this story. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

12-15-2009, 02:00 PM	#74
dmek25 MVP Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: lancaster,pa Age: 51 Posts: 10,442	Re: Climategate im talking about people who matter. you know, the ones who make policy? not someone that is as irrelevant as you __________________ "It's better to be quiet and thought a fool than to open ones mouth and remove all doubt." courtesy of 53fan

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