Climategate

12thMan · 12-15-2009, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by saden1

Daily Mail is a tabloid newspaper, one would hope our media doesn't follow their lead. BTW "Climategate" isn't as big of a deal as you think it is and there isn't much mischief going on. They're merely disregarding usage of tree rings to ascertain temperature measurements. I would have done the same. Why use a method that tells something different from temperature you've recorded with a thermometer? I would move alone if I were one of you people.

It's really interesting how some think "climategate" debunks all of the science, all of the research, and indisputable data behind climate change. I can certainly understand people having issues with Al Gore on some level. But this isn't some wild theory spun out of thin air by Al Gore alone for his own personal gain - although he has profited handsomely from the ongoing debate. I think because Al Gore is a politician, a liberal politician I might add, an element of politics has been injected into the discussion that has been divisive.

I've yet to hear anyone step forward who has actually read all the emails, but what I can gather is that these scientists were, at a minimum, guilty of trying to keep some of the science from becoming politicized when, in fact, their perceived manipulating of data has done just that.

In the end though I don't think this controversy will have any long term traction to reverse the consensus building around the issue or the legislation being pushed through Congress.

Trample the Elderly · 12-15-2009, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by dmek25

im talking about people who matter. you know, the ones who make policy? not someone that is as irrelevant as you

Seriously, why do all of you move down here? I mean you guys have been voting in liberals for years, if not decades. It should be a effing paradise up there, right? Why do you come down here with all of the backward conservatives and whack job libertarians? Are you trying to convert us to trifling? I can't go a day without seeing a PA license plate on the road. There are also VA licensed cars that are plastered with Steelers and Iggles BS too. That's a sure give away. Why move away from your progressive utopia if it so great?

dmek25 · 12-15-2009, 04:14 PM

im from Lancaster county, home of the ultra conservative republican. but the are a ton of backwards rednecks here, too. that's what your seeing. Pa. is a beautiful place, but the people as a whole aren't very friendly. you can definitely tell the difference once you cross the Mason Dixon line. maybe they are looking for work? and if everyone has the same mind set that you have, it could be entertaining

Trample the Elderly · 12-15-2009, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by dmek25

im from Lancaster county, home of the ultra conservative republican. but the are a ton of backwards rednecks here, too. that's what your seeing. Pa. is a beautiful place, but the people as a whole aren't very friendly. you can definitely tell the difference once you cross the Mason Dixon line. maybe they are looking for work? and if everyone has the same mind set that you have, it could be entertaining

I'll tell you what. How about you trade us all of your rednecks for our liberals? We can train your "up round state college" hill folk to have some manners. I've done it before. Our liberals are already pissed off assholes. They should fit in nicely up there. So is it a deal?

dmek25 · 12-15-2009, 11:21 PM

Climategate”
Hacked e-mails show climate scientists in a bad light but don't change scientific consensus on global warming.
In late November 2009, more than 1,000 e-mails between scientists at the Climate Research Unit of the U.K.’s University of East Anglia were stolen and made public by an as-yet-unnamed hacker. Climate skeptics are claiming that they show scientific misconduct that amounts to the complete fabrication of …

dmek25 · 12-15-2009, 11:22 PM

sorry, this was taken from factcheck.org

budw38 · 12-16-2009, 07:36 PM

CO2 Is Green - More CO2 Results in a Greener Earth ... CO2 Science . This is a little beyond my expertise , interesting read .

budw38 · 12-20-2009, 07:32 AM

FOXNews.com - Fraud in Europe's Cap and Trade System a 'Red Flag,' Critics Say . Too busy to spend time reading more on this , but found this interesting ..

mlmpetert · 12-21-2009, 12:57 PM

FOXNews.com - Czech President Klaus: Global Warming Not Science, but a 'New Religion'

"I'm convinced that after years of studying the phenomenon, global warming is not the real issue of temperature," said Klaus, an economist by training. "That is the issue of a new ideology or a new religion. A religion of climate change or a religion of global warming. This is a religion which tells us that the people are responsible for the current, very small increase in temperatures. And they should be punished."

"Politicians and their fellow travelers, the media and the business community, simply understood that this is a very good topic to take on. It's an excellent idea to escape from the current reality. Not to solve the crisis, but to talk about the world in 2050, 2080, 2200. This is for them an excellent job. They will not be punished by the voters for making a totally wrong decision, a wrong forecast."

"We'll be the victims of irrational ideology. They will try to dictate to us how to live, what to do, how to behave," Klaus said. "What to eat, travel, and what my children should have. This is something that we who lived in the communist era for most of our lives — we still feel very strongly about. We are very sensitive in this respect. And we feel various similarities in their way of arguing or not arguing. In the way of pushing ahead ideas regardless of rational counter-arguments."

Klaus says that he is in favor of "green" technology, but cautions that he is not in favor of the government dictating the development of the technology.

"I lived in a communist world where politicians told us what to do," Klaus said. "I don't think politicians or presidents should suggest to firms what to do. That has always been a mistake."

CRedskinsRule · 12-21-2009, 01:03 PM

Wow, that is an excellent statement from the Czech president. I would quote and put in bold the best parts, but it would absolutely be the whole statement.

firstdown · 12-21-2009, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by dmek25

Climategate”
Hacked e-mails show climate scientists in a bad light but don't change scientific consensus on global warming.
In late November 2009, more than 1,000 e-mails between scientists at the Climate Research Unit of the U.K.’s University of East Anglia were stolen and made public by an as-yet-unnamed hacker. Climate skeptics are claiming that they show scientific misconduct that amounts to the complete fabrication of …

Yea but who makes up this consensus and if you notice it said "scientific consensus on global warming" leaving out man made global warming. Most scientists agree that the earth is warming its the cause that they disagree on.

saden1 · 12-21-2009, 02:15 PM

Flat-Earthers speaking on the topic of the structure of the universe. I wonder what John Tyndall's agenda was back in the 1850's. I can't fathom how anyone can think releasing CO2 with deforestation taking place at the same time is a good thing. Never mind the the warming impact of CO2 on the planet, how about the health impact on humans?

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Hypercapnia
Victims of carbon dioxide (CO2) poisoning die of hypercapnia, a condition in which there is too high a buildup of carbon dioxide in the blood. Carbon dioxide is a waste product of the metabolic process of cells. It is exhaled by the lungs. Normally, the blood contains 40 mm Hg of CO2. Once the blood contains more than 45 mm Hg of CO2, hypercapnia will start to occur.

Hypercapnia can be caused by lung diseases such as emphysema, by reduced consciousness leading to hypoventilation, or by exposure to an environment in which the atmosphere has high levels of carbon dioxide present, such as in mine shafts.

CO2 is good for the planet indeed.

12-15-2009, 04:14 PM	#78
dmek25 MVP Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: lancaster,pa Age: 51 Posts: 10,442	Re: Climategate im from Lancaster county, home of the ultra conservative republican. but the are a ton of backwards rednecks here, too. that's what your seeing. Pa. is a beautiful place, but the people as a whole aren't very friendly. you can definitely tell the difference once you cross the Mason Dixon line. maybe they are looking for work? and if everyone has the same mind set that you have, it could be entertaining __________________ "It's better to be quiet and thought a fool than to open ones mouth and remove all doubt." courtesy of 53fan

12-15-2009, 11:21 PM	#80
dmek25 MVP Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: lancaster,pa Age: 51 Posts: 10,442	Re: Climategate Climategate” Hacked e-mails show climate scientists in a bad light but don't change scientific consensus on global warming. In late November 2009, more than 1,000 e-mails between scientists at the Climate Research Unit of the U.K.’s University of East Anglia were stolen and made public by an as-yet-unnamed hacker. Climate skeptics are claiming that they show scientific misconduct that amounts to the complete fabrication of … __________________ "It's better to be quiet and thought a fool than to open ones mouth and remove all doubt." courtesy of 53fan

12-15-2009, 11:22 PM	#81
dmek25 MVP Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: lancaster,pa Age: 51 Posts: 10,442	Re: Climategate sorry, this was taken from factcheck.org __________________ "It's better to be quiet and thought a fool than to open ones mouth and remove all doubt." courtesy of 53fan

12-16-2009, 07:36 PM	#82
budw38 The Starter Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Northern,Va. Posts: 2,126	Re: Climategate CO2 Is Green - More CO2 Results in a Greener Earth ... CO2 Science . This is a little beyond my expertise , interesting read .

12-20-2009, 07:32 AM	#83
budw38 The Starter Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Northern,Va. Posts: 2,126	Re: Climategate FOXNews.com - Fraud in Europe's Cap and Trade System a 'Red Flag,' Critics Say . Too busy to spend time reading more on this , but found this interesting ..

12-21-2009, 12:57 PM	#84
mlmpetert Playmaker Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Richmond Posts: 3,208	Re: Climategate FOXNews.com - Czech President Klaus: Global Warming Not Science, but a 'New Religion' "I'm convinced that after years of studying the phenomenon, global warming is not the real issue of temperature," said Klaus, an economist by training. "That is the issue of a new ideology or a new religion. A religion of climate change or a religion of global warming. This is a religion which tells us that the people are responsible for the current, very small increase in temperatures. And they should be punished." "Politicians and their fellow travelers, the media and the business community, simply understood that this is a very good topic to take on. It's an excellent idea to escape from the current reality. Not to solve the crisis, but to talk about the world in 2050, 2080, 2200. This is for them an excellent job. They will not be punished by the voters for making a totally wrong decision, a wrong forecast." "We'll be the victims of irrational ideology. They will try to dictate to us how to live, what to do, how to behave," Klaus said. "What to eat, travel, and what my children should have. This is something that we who lived in the communist era for most of our lives — we still feel very strongly about. We are very sensitive in this respect. And we feel various similarities in their way of arguing or not arguing. In the way of pushing ahead ideas regardless of rational counter-arguments." Klaus says that he is in favor of "green" technology, but cautions that he is not in favor of the government dictating the development of the technology. "I lived in a communist world where politicians told us what to do," Klaus said. "I don't think politicians or presidents should suggest to firms what to do. That has always been a mistake." __________________ https://constitutionminute.hillsdale.edu/episode1

12-21-2009, 01:03 PM	#85
CRedskinsRule MVP Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Pasadena, Md Age: 45 Posts: 10,923	Re: Climategate Wow, that is an excellent statement from the Czech president. I would quote and put in bold the best parts, but it would absolutely be the whole statement.

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