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Old 02-11-2010, 04:36 AM   #61
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There are people who, to this day, declare that the 2000 election was stolen in Florida based on the simple fact that consistent procedure wasn't uniformly followed during the recount. This, of course, is true, but the assertion that the outcome of the election was ever truly in doubt, or that the recount was anything more than a formality that the democratic nominee was entitled to by law is no less ridiculous than anything published with regards to the Minnesota senate race. According to Krugman, anyone who believes that the 2000 election was stolen is either stupid or a liar. There is no middle ground.
The people that believe the 2000 election was stolen are indeed either stupid or liars. Either the election was stolen or it wasn't! There is no middle ground. The case went up all the way to the Supreme Court and a decision was made that what Gore wanted was unconstitutional. We're a nation of laws and if you can't win in court, well, you lose.

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Krugman is more than welcome to blow holes in any poorly supported argument that concludes with an assertion that the election was "stolen". If he's going to concern himself with the underlying motive (as opposed to the argument itself, which he is clearly unconcerned with) of those who are writing for the WSJ opinion page, he should definitely be less concerned with trying to prove them lying, lest he wish the same standard be applied to him by some random dude on the internet.

If you want to know what I personally think, it's that with a state that has now elected both Jesse Ventura and Al Franken to high public office within the last twelve years...voting fraud would be of the last things I'd write an editorial about regarding Minnesota.
I think WSJ journal itself did a pretty good job putting a hole in its argument. Krugman did pen an article in which he disputes another WSJ claim and linked to it in the post...I'm not sure if it's worth his time to dispute every thing WSJ writes.
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Old 02-11-2010, 04:52 AM   #62
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Not to nitpick but calling Krugman an opinion guy, especially in the context of the WSJ jackasses, doesn't hold water. Krugman won the John Bates Clark when he was about 40 and now has a Nobel. His "opinions" are more informed than those of the actual news staff at the Journal, not to mention the goofballs working down the hall.

Krugman reminds me a lot of Stiglitz in that his practical intelligence, combined w/ the academic brilliance, makes for an extremely rare combination.
Given Krugman's credentials his opinions should certainly have more weight but that doesn't excuse his audience from having to do their own fact check of what he has to say. Trust be verify, always.
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Great link from Matty: "it is silly to accuse people of arrogance for believing that they are right and that people who disagree with them are wrong." Pretty much settles this issue for me. Accusing someone of condescension is usually a last resort after you've just lost an argument to them (you should have argued your case more politely!). Pretty absurd take.
Agreed.. and it's absurd for anyone to pretend it doesn't come from both sides.
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Funny . You know .... if we make snow angels we also have to make snow devils . If my snowman melts 20% over the weekend , I hope to be able to deduct it on my W-2 I would love to see Al Gore shoveling all of this snow preaching global warming " the sky is falling " ; "the sky is falling"
Global Warming Causes Stratospheric Cooling : Weather Underground

this is why liberals are condescending :p
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And here's why they look foolish doing it


"The lower stratosphere has not noticeably cooled since 1995, which indicates that the trends in this region are not dominantly controlled by the known increases in carbon dioxide over this period."

Funny how real scientists and real data blow up poor arguments made by folks with an agenda.

The guy who wrote the Weather Underground article is the founder of that website and since 1995 has been either working on his PhD in "Air Pollution Meterology", running the website, or doing this stuff: "managing a 32-acre natural area owned by their neighborhood association. They spend a lot of time killing invasive plants such as garlic mustard, glossy buckthorn, and Asian bittersweet, and planting native species to take their places. Jeff enjoys hiking, windsurfing, ultimate frisbee, and meditation. His favorite places are Havasu Canyon in the Grand Canyon and the Boiling River in Yellowstone National Park. His favorite book is Autobiography of a Yogi, and his favorite movie is Monty Python and the Holy Grail. He enjoys listening to Tangerine Dream, Loreena McKennitt, Anugama, and Beethoven. He occasionally picks up his trombone, but hasn't played much since freshman year in college, when he played with the University of Michigan Marching Band. If you're lucky, you can catch him in concert with the Straits Area Concert Band in the Mackinac City bandshell on Tuesday evenings in the summer!"

Here's a link to Masters' conspiracy theory rebuttal to the Climategate Leaked Email controversy:


Pretty clear what side this guy is on. So much for objective scientific analysis.
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And here's why they look foolish doing it


"The lower stratosphere has not noticeably cooled since 1995, which indicates that the trends in this region are not dominantly controlled by the known increases in carbon dioxide over this period."

Funny how real scientists and real data blow up poor arguments made by folks with an agenda.

The guy who wrote the Weather Underground article is the founder of that website and since 1995 has been either working on his PhD in "Air Pollution Meterology", running the website, or doing this stuff: "managing a 32-acre natural area owned by their neighborhood association. They spend a lot of time killing invasive plants such as garlic mustard, glossy buckthorn, and Asian bittersweet, and planting native species to take their places. Jeff enjoys hiking, windsurfing, ultimate frisbee, and meditation. His favorite places are Havasu Canyon in the Grand Canyon and the Boiling River in Yellowstone National Park. His favorite book is Autobiography of a Yogi, and his favorite movie is Monty Python and the Holy Grail. He enjoys listening to Tangerine Dream, Loreena McKennitt, Anugama, and Beethoven. He occasionally picks up his trombone, but hasn't played much since freshman year in college, when he played with the University of Michigan Marching Band. If you're lucky, you can catch him in concert with the Straits Area Concert Band in the Mackinac City bandshell on Tuesday evenings in the summer!"

Here's a link to Masters' conspiracy theory rebuttal to the Climategate Leaked Email controversy:



Pretty clear what side this guy is on. So much for objective scientific analysis.
Great work , thanks for the link . I liked the article on the Ozone , I still remember a couple coming to our 6th grade class with , gas masks, oxygen tanks and Fireman's jackets . They had us put on the mask and jacket , carry the tanks around the class a few times . They proceeded to then tell us that by the time we left high school < 1982 > , we would have to wear the mask/oxygen tank in order to breathe the air , and wear protective jackets or our skin would burn and blister .Would I love the hit the guy with a Louisville slugger , just one time
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Great work , thanks for the link . I liked the article on the Ozone , I still remember a couple coming to our 6th grade class with , gas masks, oxygen tanks and Fireman's jackets . They had us put on the mask and jacket , carry the tanks around the class a few times . They proceeded to then tell us that by the time we left high school < 1982 > , we would have to wear the mask/oxygen tank in order to breathe the air , and wear protective jackets or our skin would burn and blister .Would I love the hit the guy with a Louisville slugger , just one time

LOL...you sure it wasn't because of Soviet nuclear threat?
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LOL...you sure it wasn't because of Soviet nuclear threat?
Yes , I'am sure . But I do remember those air - raid- sirens File:Air-raid-siren-downtown-losangeles.png - Wikimedia Commons .... man I hated those damn things going off while we were at school growing up .
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