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Old 03-03-2010, 03:56 PM   #31
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Raised and supervised properly, there is a 0% chance. If those two things don't exist, the chances, whatever they may be, are the same no matter the breed.
You're contradicting yourself. You said you have to correct them. If there was 0% chance then you would never have to correct them. I don't think anyone is saying these dogs, raised properly, aren't pet worthy. I think everyone is saying giving the risk factors, previous behavior and tendencies, then the dog should not have been in the house. It is the owner's fault for sure but it's hard to make an argument that this breed of dog isn't inherently more dangerous than say a lab. If only just a little.
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Old 03-03-2010, 03:57 PM   #32
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In Virginia if I'm correct its either the dog is found not be a threat or its put down and the owner has no say in the matter.
Here's the dangerous dog registry...
VDACS - Regulatory Services - Animal Health and Welfare - Dangerous Dog Registry

The owner does have a say in the matter if the court does not rule that the dog must be euthanized. If the owner doesn't want the dog, it will probably be euthanized regardless. If the owner wants the dog, stipulations are placed, presumably.
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Hey guys, i looked at that dangerous dog listing, and not to sound morbid, it is good for a laugh.

Loudon County, VA has more dangerous dogs than any city on the selectable list.

No kidding, there was a dog named "Poochie", who broke through a neighbor's privacy fence and killed the neighbor's cat...

Other reports of numerous mail carriers being bitten, and sadly, a few people attacked that led to their death.

Check out the list....it's very informative.
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You're contradicting yourself. You said you have to correct them. If there was 0% chance then you would never have to correct them. I don't think anyone is saying these dogs, raised properly, aren't pet worthy. I think everyone is saying giving the risk factors, previous behavior and tendencies, then the dog should not have been in the house. It is the owner's fault for sure but it's hard to make an argument that this breed of dog isn't inherently more dangerous than say a lab. If only just a little.
No, I'm not. You stop behavior before it escalates to the point where someone can get hurt. Like I said, dogs have warning signs. When you first notice a warning sign, you can redirect its attention to let it know that that's not how you want it to act. Being a dog, it will listen to you, if you're firm. If you do nothing, the behavior will build to the point where either it fights or flees.

A dog doesn't have to bite someone in order to be taught that biting is not correct behavior.
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No, I'm not. You stop behavior before it escalates to the point where someone can get hurt. Like I said, dogs have warning signs. When you first notice a warning sign, you can redirect its attention to let it know that that's not how you want it to act. Being a dog, it will listen to you, if you're firm. If you do nothing, the behavior will build to the point where either it fights or flees.

A dog doesn't have to bite someone in order to be taught that biting is not correct behavior.
The point is though that your contention that there is zero percent chance is logically wrong. The chance can be mitigated to near zero but it requires you to be in constant supervision mode and to never allow interaction with the dog outside your presence.
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The point is though that your contention that there is zero percent chance is logically wrong. The chance can be mitigated to near zero but it requires you to be in constant supervision mode and to never allow interaction with the dog outside your presence.
It's not logically wrong, it's just not something that people want to do.
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It's not logically wrong, it's just not something that people want to do.
But also not at all feasible if you have children, unless you plan to live a life where you never ever leave a room with the child and dog together. Which is ridiculous.

You might understand when you bear some young'ns.
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Parents should be charged with manslaughter.
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But also not at all feasible if you have children, unless you plan to live a life where you never ever leave a room with the child and dog together. Which is ridiculous.

You might understand when you bear some young'ns.
Maybe.
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cpayne, i gotta agree with everyone else on this. there is just no way you can say there is a 0% chance of a dog attack if trained properly.

nothing in life is so absolute. i will say that there are different ways dogs act when they are in an alarmed/agressive state.

some dogs will bark

some dogs will bark and snarl

some dogs will bark, snarl and bite

some dogs will bark, snarl, bite and not stop biting. these are the killers, these are the dogs that just lose it once they are provoked or think they are provoked. most dogs, if they bite a human that is it but some dogs just dont stop once they start and thats how people get killed.

thats why vick was teaching those dogs killer instinct by putting poodles and labs in rings. for the pits that didnt have killer instinct, they would train it to kill.
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cpayne I do agree this is the parent's fault in every way imaginable. I also think that dogs euthanized for biting is crap. I believe this because dogs, as well as other animals like say tigers and killer whales, all have a certain degree of wildness in them, domesticated or not. Their actions are predictable. I can predict that the best trained Rotty in the world still could go "Rotty" and eat someone's face off just like a Lab could. The issue is that a Rotty is more likely to do it in my opinion. It is simply not as clear cut as you make it. For the record, I have dogs and kids and have never seen either dog so much as turn a crooked eye towards my kids. I still never leave them together alone though.
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If I had kids, I just wouldn't risk having them around dogs like that.
especially in the same yard and apparently unsupervised
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Come on. They have lost a child isn't that enough punishment and to think they have to live knowing their actions lead to the childs death.
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The attack happened four months after officers had taken a Rottweiler from the same home after it bit an adult family member. The two Rottweilers at the Browning home have been quarantined.
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I still never leave them together alone though.
I would imagine leaving a child with a dog that bit an adult is a big NO NO. I don't see how leaving their child unattended with a vicious dog is different than driving drunk with a child in the back seat. Lock them up I say.
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cpayne, i gotta agree with everyone else on this. there is just no way you can say there is a 0% chance of a dog attack if trained properly.

nothing in life is so absolute. i will say that there are different ways dogs act when they are in an alarmed/agressive state.

some dogs will bark

some dogs will bark and snarl

some dogs will bark, snarl and bite

some dogs will bark, snarl, bite and not stop biting. these are the killers, these are the dogs that just lose it once they are provoked or think they are provoked. most dogs, if they bite a human that is it but some dogs just dont stop once they start and thats how people get killed.

thats why vick was teaching those dogs killer instinct by putting poodles and labs in rings. for the pits that didnt have killer instinct, they would train it to kill.
Well, people are looking past what I said. The supervision part is key. I'm not saying a properly raised dog won't bite. Just about every dog has a tipping point. What I'm saying, is that you can tell when a dog is being provoked, or when the dog doesn't like something that's going on. Dogs don't snap, they lead up to aggressive behavior. Stop it when it starts, and you certainly can ensure a 0% chance of having something like this happen.

Check out this video of the Vick killers...
Meet the Rescued Michael Vick Pit Bull Dogs Now

PETA wanted these dogs put to death. Yes, that PETA.
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Tragic story. Wanted to clarify though, this was not the same dog that had attacked someone else, and the child and the dog were separated by a fence(at least as the parents thought)

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"She had a little toy rake. She must have been raking little mole hills," he said. "D'ette went out to check on her and she was just laying there bleeding. The female rottweiler was standing there."

Jay Browning said D'ette and Jesse liked big dogs.They had gotten rid of an aggressive male rottweiler "a long time ago" and retained a male Labrador retriever and a male and female rottweiler.

He said the dogs were kept in a fenced backyard and it's unclear how one of them had gotten into the front yard.
a long time ago = 4months according to other stories.

Regardless, a little girl lost her life, and a lot of people lost her presence in their life
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