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Old 05-24-2010, 01:16 PM   #136
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No Obama Now says "Leak Baby Leak".
or "plug baby plug"
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BP keeps pushing out the date that they are going to try the top kill method. I love how they can blatantly defy orders from the government, with no threat whatsoever of retaliation by the United States. It looks like the leak has no end in sight.
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I love how all the conservatives have become eco-freaks when a disaster occurs while a Dem is in office.

How have the policies of regulation significantly changed since the Bush Admin? Or better yet since the last 10-15 years? It hasn't. This same thing could have happened if McCain had won.

Don't see how this a Dem or a Rep thing.
I agree that this is not a Dem or Rep thing.

I also would say though that the "eco-freaks" would have been out in full force if Bush were in office. In my opinion, had this occurred on Bush's watch, We would have had a Katrina part deux style media backlash.
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LOL!!! I love it how them haters be hating. You gonna hate no matter what firstdown. You are funny.
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I don't hate Obama just don't agree with his politics. Funny when it took Bush a day or so to show up in NO thats all we heard about. This leak is now going on 34 days and the only thing Obama has done was fly over the place and to send in a few people from the NG. So today they say they are forming a commission to investigate the accident. Ok, thats great but isn't a better idea to form a commission to figure out how to stop the leak first. If we can send a man to the moon I'd think if we put them to work on the issue we could have had this stopped by now.
When you compare a leak to people standing in knee deep water. Then you reaching. We don't have the technology to stop the leak. Digging holes 1 mile beneath the sea, puts you at the ledge of technology. anything to get oil. Keep singing your song. Atleast he not a communist anymroe. LOL!!!
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I love how all the conservatives have become eco-freaks when a disaster occurs while a Dem is in office.

How have the policies of regulation significantly changed since the Bush Admin? Or better yet since the last 10-15 years? It hasn't. This same thing could have happened if McCain had won.

Don't see how this a Dem or a Rep thing.
This certainly isn't a D vs. R thing. The improper relationships between the regulatory arm of MMS and the oil companies have been going on for quite some time, regardless of who occupies the WH.

I also don't think it's an "eco-freak" thing to not want peoples livelihoods drastically damaged or completely destroyed (fishing industry in the Gulf) or to see birds/fish etc. covered in oil and dying.

As with the improper criticism of the Bush Admin on Katrina, most of the criticism of Obama on Deepwater is without legs.

Defense.gov - Special Report: Disaster in the Gulf of Mexico - Military Supports Federal Oil Spill Response

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I don't hate Obama just don't agree with his politics. Funny when it took Bush a day or so to show up in NO thats all we heard about. This leak is now going on 34 days and the only thing Obama has done was fly over the place and to send in a few people from the NG. So today they say they are forming a commission to investigate the accident. Ok, thats great but isn't a better idea to form a commission to figure out how to stop the leak first. If we can send a man to the moon I'd think if we put them to work on the issue we could have had this stopped by now.
First, first of all, good seeing you again. I was hoping to see you over in the Palin gone wild thread, but that's another story.

Anywho, I think the Katrina v. BP comparison hasn't gotten too much steam in the media is because it was Bush's response to Katrina once it was over is why he caught so much shit.

The federal government is capable of handling a natural disaster (i.e. Katrina). They can issue warnings before hand and provide logistical and medical support during and after the event. And basically get an all hands on deck effort to sustain a full recovery of the affected region(s). It's the man made ones that we have the most trouble with. You hear of no effort to send volunteers to the region impacted, nothing about Red Cross or other organizations getting involved in a substantive way. None of that. This leak really is a different animal, ongoing, and the magnitude of it's impact we seem to be discovering on a daily basis. Especially since it's what, 5.000 feet, below the ocean's surface. How do you even begin to monitor that or predict it in the first place?

The fact is the story changed a few times since it was first reported it as an explosion. Then later we learned that it was more than just that, and now here we are more than a month later and no relief in sight. All the government, the White House, or anyone else can do is wait, unfortunately. Pushing BP out of the way or holding phony pressers, pointing fingers and getting pissed ain't gonna stop that oil from gushing. The ONLY people that know how and are equipped to do is BP and other experts in the oil industry, no one else.

As GMScud said sometime ago, this is really sad on so many levels that the issue of politics and who's right and who's wrong really shouldn't be the focus of this tragic event.
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You mean the story has changed so we can just give the goverment a pass. Didn't NO survive the huricane then a leavy gave way causing flooding. That flooding went on for a few days causing a major obstacle to get crews in when everything is 8' or more under water. If I'm correct didn't the goverment give warning to people to leave the area before the storm ever hit. To me it sounds like the liberals expected better from Bush but they do not expect much of nothing from Obama. By the way that leavy which broke was man made.

I'm also not blaming Obama for this mess but I am blaming him for not providing additional help and minds to figure out how to stop this pipe from leaking. My god we can go into space and repair stuff but the goverment does not have the minds to figure this out. I don't care who comes up with the solution we just need the best minds and resources working on this.
You keep saying Obama hasn't provided support, but you fail to say what support he needs to provide that wasn't there on day one. From the very start the administration was on top of this based on the available information. The only expert minds are the ones that work for BP. The federal government aren't experts on oil wells and dealing with leaks. Apparently neither is BP at this point.

The Associated Press: Obama oil response: aggressive as crisis unfolded

I agree with you that I don't care who gets credit or how it's fixed, but it needed to happen last month as fas I'm concerned.
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You keep saying Obama hasn't provided support, but you fail to say what support he needs to provide that wasn't there on day one. From the very start the administration was on top of this based on the available information. The only expert minds are the ones that work for BP. The federal government aren't experts on oil wells and dealing with leaks. Apparently neither is BP at this point.

The Associated Press: Obama oil response: aggressive as crisis unfolded

I agree with you that I don't care who gets credit or how it's fixed, but it needed to happen last month as fas I'm concerned.
Seems to me they want a government take-over of the disaster and a BP's private oil field.
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The government has no deep sea expertise, nor do they have any equipment that could be used if the govt were to take over the cleanup. Sorry, but we are BP's bitch now. They can do whatever they want, put off operations however long they want, and there is nothing we can do about it.
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I saw the underwater cam that traced where the dispersant had been sprayed. It is a dead zone, they found two fish. There is gonna be a very expansive dead zone in the gulf, on the USA side.
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The government has no deep sea expertise, nor do they have any equipment that could be used if the govt were to take over the cleanup. Sorry, but we are BP's bitch now. They can do whatever they want, put off operations however long they want, and there is nothing we can do about it.
You make it sound like BP is delaying operations just because they can. That may be, I have no clue, but I would ask, why would they not move heaven and earth to close that spill as fast as possible? Every drop that flows out only costs them more in every considerable way that I can think of.
As for the govt not having the expertise, that might be true, but certainly they could, if necessary, get other oil companies with similar expertise involved.

There is no easy answer to this tragedy. I hope BP/Govt is doing everything possible to stop the flow as quick as possible.
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You make it sound like BP is delaying operations just because they can. That may be, I have no clue, but I would ask, why would they not move heaven and earth to close that spill as fast as possible? Every drop that flows out only costs them more in every considerable way that I can think of.
As for the govt not having the expertise, that might be true, but certainly they could, if necessary, get other oil companies with similar expertise involved.

There is no easy answer to this tragedy. I hope BP/Govt is doing everything possible to stop the flow as quick as possible.
BP might be able to stop the leak if they stop trying to siphon oil out of it. Seems to me the only solution they have is the relief well. This will stop the leak and oh yeah by the way be another well they can still get oil from. If they seal it it is only temporary until the relif well is made. Seems to me they are not considering closing the well for good. Any solution they come up with has an oh yeah they are still gonna be trying to get that oil.
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BP might be able to stop the leak if they stop trying to siphon oil out of it. Seems to me the only solution they have is the relief well. This will stop the leak and oh yeah by the way be another well they can still get oil from. If they seal it it is only temporary until the relif well is made. Seems to me they are not considering closing the well for good. Any solution they come up with has an oh yeah they are still gonna be trying to get that oil.
Well, duh. Why would they not continue to get oil from it? That still doesn't mean they aren't going to stop the leak as quickly as possible.
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Well, duh. Why would they not continue to get oil from it? That still doesn't mean they aren't going to stop the leak as quickly as possible.
Well it should have been stop the leak bump the oil, until we can evauluate what's going on. The whole mentality has been we'll stop the leak but we are gonna get this oil. These fools had a long ass straw in the well connected to a tanker while all this oil continues to kill the gulf.
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