Guard watches coast for oil slick's first wave

CRedskinsRule · 05-28-2010, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by firstdown

Yea but if this was on Bush's watch Sean Peen would be down there on TV yelling where is the goverment as he is soak in oil carrying dead oil soaked birds.

the hypocrisy will never be acknowledged, not worth fighting over.

that said, Things I am sure of if Bush were in office:

- Daily stories of Bush's ties to the oil company's would be normal

- Green Activists would have been blasting the White House's drilling policies

- Hollywood would have been heavily involved in the story.

- The one director would have made a movie about the White House and Big Oil

- The Government's response would have been aggressively attacked and human/animal suffering stories would have been lead stories 2 out of every 3 nights.

That these would have been valid is not my point, it's that the media blatantly shields it's favored politicians, and actively lambasts those who they hate. (and yes they clearly hated Bush)

Mattyk · 05-28-2010, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by firstdown

Yea but if this was on Bush's watch Sean Peen would be down there on TV yelling where is the goverment as he is soak in oil carrying dead oil soaked birds.

Believe what you want to believe.

SmootSmack · 05-28-2010, 10:24 AM

The problem really lies with BP. The gap between them and other oil companies when it comes to safety violations is astounding. I think it's like a 700 violations gap between BP at #1 and Sunoco (with fewer than 10 in the past three years, which is 10 too many of course)

Here's a good read

Renegade Refiner: OSHA Says BP Has “Systemic Safety Problem” - The Center for Public Integrity

But yeah, I definitely agree that had this been during the last administration there would be a lot of stories about the WH's ties to Big Oil. That's neither here nor there at this point though. They could blame me for all I care, just fix the problem

firstdown · 05-28-2010, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk

Believe what you want to believe.

You know that was funny and probably true. I'm not knocking the guy atleast he actually gets out and get involved but he is a little drama queen.

Mattyk · 05-28-2010, 10:28 AM

Haven't we heard reports about BP's contributions to Obama?

PolitiFact | BP liked Obama, but oil stained Palin's hands too

GMScud · 05-28-2010, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk

Kinda dumb to compare relief efforts for a 3rd world country devastated by a natural disaster to an oil spill that a giant corporation is responsible for.

Is it? I strongly disagree. Where the blame falls has nothing to do with the fact that this disaster is devastating families, wildlife, and the fishing industry. There is an entire eco-system and plenty of families that need or will soon need a lot of help.

firstdown · 05-28-2010, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk

Haven't we heard reports about BP's contributions to Obama?

PolitiFact | BP liked Obama, but oil stained Palin's hands too

Funny how they have to throw Palin and McCain into that article. First off Palin is not in office so we cannot judge her because we don't know what her response would have been. As Governor of Alaska Palin actually went after big oil to get a cut of the oil profits comming out of Alaska.

Palin Boosted Oil-Company Taxes While Alaska Had Budget Surplus - Bloomberg.com

Mattyk · 05-28-2010, 12:04 PM

Palin was the one calling Obama out, so it's only natural to point out that her hands aren't exactly clean in all of this.

SolidSnake84 · 05-28-2010, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

The problem really lies with BP. The gap between them and other oil companies when it comes to safety violations is astounding. I think it's like a 700 violations gap between BP at #1 and Sunoco (with fewer than 10 in the past three years, which is 10 too many of course)

Here's a good read

Renegade Refiner: OSHA Says BP Has “Systemic Safety Problem” - The Center for Public Integrity

But yeah, I definitely agree that had this been during the last administration there would be a lot of stories about the WH's ties to Big Oil. That's neither here nor there at this point though. They could blame me for all I care, just fix the problem

Your numbers are right. In the last 3 years, BP had 760 Violations, and not just the technical kind. The guy on TV last night said that all of those violations involved a physical danger, or something being done wrong that could bring about injury, death, or environmental damage. By comparison, Exxon, who had the worst spill prior to BP, had only ONE violation in the same time frame...

joethiesmanfan · 05-28-2010, 12:19 PM

Crying tears of pain at the cost of drill baby drill. No one was crying when they built that oil pipeline through the watrer supply of that Nigerian village. Karma is a B.

Mattyk · 05-28-2010, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by GMScud

Is it? I strongly disagree. Where the blame falls has nothing to do with the fact that this disaster is devastating families, wildlife, and the fishing industry. There is an entire eco-system and plenty of families that need or will soon need a lot of help.

Again, that's BP's problem and financial responsibility.

The difference is pretty clear to me.

I can't speak for what George Clooney is doing, but there are other celebs leading fundraising efforts.

Slingin Sammy 33 · 05-28-2010, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

The problem really lies with BP. The gap between them and other oil companies when it comes to safety violations is astounding. I think it's like a 700 violations gap between BP at #1 and Sunoco (with fewer than 10 in the past three years, which is 10 too many of course)

Here's a good read

Renegade Refiner: OSHA Says BP Has “Systemic Safety Problem” - The Center for Public Integrity

But yeah, I definitely agree that had this been during the last administration there would be a lot of stories about the WH's ties to Big Oil. That's neither here nor there at this point though. They could blame me for all I care, just fix the problem

Good article, problem with the OSHA enforcement is all they can do is levy fines. What's $ 90M to BP, it would cost them more to fix the violations. I'm not arguing it's right, I'm just stating what is.

MMS enforcement could've shut them down but their enforcement efforts are suspect at best, grossly and intentionally negligent at worst.

joethiesmanfan · 05-28-2010, 12:25 PM

Let's pray on it. Seems like the right forgot about praying this time. This is the type stuff you pray for. You don't pray to rule the world or to kill a president.

GMScud · 05-28-2010, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

Good article, problem with the OSHA enforcement is all they can do is levy fines. What's $ 90M to BP, it would cost them more to fix the violations. I'm not arguing it's right, I'm just stating what is.

MMS enforcement could've shut them down but their enforcement efforts are suspect at best, grossly and intentionally negligent at worst.

One of the few things the left and right seem to agree on is that the MMS needs sweeping administrative change. They're a shitshow.

GMScud · 05-28-2010, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by joethiesmanfan

Let's pray on it. Seems like the right forgot about praying this time. This is the type stuff you pray for. You don't pray to rule the world or to kill a president.

Huh? Some of your posts are really good. Others are head scratchers.

05-28-2010, 10:24 AM	#303
SmootSmack Mad Men Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 43,098	Re: Guard watches coast for oil slick's first wave The problem really lies with BP. The gap between them and other oil companies when it comes to safety violations is astounding. I think it's like a 700 violations gap between BP at #1 and Sunoco (with fewer than 10 in the past three years, which is 10 too many of course) Here's a good read Renegade Refiner: OSHA Says BP Has “Systemic Safety Problem” - The Center for Public Integrity But yeah, I definitely agree that had this been during the last administration there would be a lot of stories about the WH's ties to Big Oil. That's neither here nor there at this point though. They could blame me for all I care, just fix the problem __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

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Mattyk ‎\m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 40 Posts: 72,656	Re: Guard watches coast for oil slick's first wave Haven't we heard reports about BP's contributions to Obama? PolitiFact \| BP liked Obama, but oil stained Palin's hands too __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

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Mattyk ‎\m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 40 Posts: 72,656	Re: Guard watches coast for oil slick's first wave Palin was the one calling Obama out, so it's only natural to point out that her hands aren't exactly clean in all of this. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

05-28-2010, 12:19 PM	#310
joethiesmanfan The Starter Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 1,163	Re: Guard watches coast for oil slick's first wave Crying tears of pain at the cost of drill baby drill. No one was crying when they built that oil pipeline through the watrer supply of that Nigerian village. Karma is a B. __________________ BP Bush/Palin 2012

05-28-2010, 12:25 PM	#313
joethiesmanfan The Starter Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 1,163	Re: Guard watches coast for oil slick's first wave Let's pray on it. Seems like the right forgot about praying this time. This is the type stuff you pray for. You don't pray to rule the world or to kill a president. __________________ BP Bush/Palin 2012

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