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Old 05-07-2010, 12:27 PM   #16
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Old 05-07-2010, 12:48 PM   #17
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Yes from reading the article it sounds like despite the goverment they were able to open this home. I believe that it is only private enterprise and individual effort that can turn communities around. I urge all people to volunteer for one thing or the other. I love helping children and there is no greater high then seeing a child smile. One of my past groups I was with, did christmas for needy children or you could say children with worthless parents. I played Santa even though I'm not very fat and the memories that it brought I'll never forget. There was this one girl who followed me/santa around all day and became my little helper. This was back around 1995 and just about everyday I wonder what happened to this sweet little girl. Her mother was so bad she did not even show up to pick up her daughter and someone had to drive her home. But I know for that one day she was treated like the special person and I hope maybe that we helped her in some way.Thats why I wonder all the time about what ever became of her life. Is she even still alive. Sorry but goverment cannot do these things it takes people so thats why alot of times I'm against the goverment and there waistfull programs. Until we can get parents and neighbor hoods to take control there is no goverment program that can fix broken communities.
Even though we mainly don't see eye to eye and you considered me the king of shit I still like you for post like this. Thanks for all your help with children!
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Old 05-07-2010, 01:10 PM   #18
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I don't want any thanks. I share those in hopes that someone might read it and decide to volunteer to help people out. Here is link to a great organization that has charters thoughout the US. I belong to a local chapter and we focus on hearing and speach impaired children. If anyone is intrested look for a charter in your area. Best part about our charter is 100% of all donations go to the cause.

http://www.sertoma.org/Page.aspx?pid=190

The Jaycees is also another great organization for younger people. I was a member for 8 yrs before I aged out. They have chapters in about every city and also have some pretty good parties.
About the Jaycees

I actually have no problem with you or your post just don't attack me personally if we don't agree. I actually like the nick name "king of shit" that would make a great name for a boat if the person owned a porta poty business.

I am fairly show I have never personally attacked you and by personal attack I mean name calling not pointing out when you are wrong or disagreeing with you.
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Old 05-07-2010, 02:30 PM   #19
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Yes from reading the article it sounds like despite the goverment they were able to open this home. I believe that it is only private enterprise and individual effort that can turn communities around. I urge all people to volunteer for one thing or the other. I love helping children and there is no greater high then seeing a child smile. One of my past groups I was with, did christmas for needy children or you could say children with worthless parents. I played Santa even though I'm not very fat and the memories that it brought I'll never forget. There was this one girl who followed me/santa around all day and became my little helper. This was back around 1995 and just about everyday I wonder what happened to this sweet little girl. Her mother was so bad she did not even show up to pick up her daughter and someone had to drive her home. But I know for that one day she was treated like the special person and I hope maybe that we helped her in some way.Thats why I wonder all the time about what ever became of her life. Is she even still alive. Sorry but goverment cannot do these things it takes people so thats why alot of times I'm against the goverment and there waistfull programs. Until we can get parents and neighbor hoods to take control there is no goverment program that can fix broken communities.
I think you missed the point in the story where the kids big break came from getting 70K in federal funds. Yes. Much was contributed in terms of services from individuals and small companies, but government programs working with and facilitating the help of volunteers can make a huge difference.

The pro-bono legal services were undoubtedly part of the State university's system to provide practical education for attorneys. Thus, by creating and funding the public law school, the government created an enterprise that allows individuals to gain an education while, at the same, time, providing a more direct benefit to the community.

I think it is safe to say that, even with the contributions of private individuals, this project would not have gotten done without the assistance of government programs.
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I think it is safe to say that, even with the contributions of private individuals, this project would not have gotten done without the assistance of government programs.
Amazing that no evil bureaucrat stopped it at the last minute. (wait, has it actually opened yet?)
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To say that govt. assistance is never a good thing (as you seem to be saying) or that govt. is always an obstacle is just wrong. My point is that, in this case, the govt helped facilitate the volunteer efforts of many. Yes. Regulation exists, so do roads, and a comfort that our food is safe. You think any of that happens without govt. activity?

Generally, I agree that there is waste in govt. Duh. You want "the trains to run on time"? Go talk to the Nazis or some other form of totalitarian govt. In a democratic society, one of the costs for "fairness" is the lack of efficiency. It is a constant trade off.

Here, the project would not have happened but for the combined efforts of govt., officials (this started as a school project remember?), private companies, and the involvment of committed individuals. Is it so hard to acknowledge that govt. can actually serve a good purpose and beneficial purpose?
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Well if your def. of a good purpose is waisting 30% of the money to have people push paper work then I guess the federal goverment is great. Our club tried to get a federal grant once (figured why not they are going to give the money to someone) and after a stack of forms we just said F^%$ it. Not worth the effort. Why do you feel the feds need all this praise to give away money that is not even theirs?
"all this praise"??. My only point is that when govt. works with and facilitates volunteerism by private individuals it is doing a good thing and showing what can be accomplished by good govt. If public funding ecourages or facilitates others contributing two to three times (or more) of the government expense (including waste), why is that a bad thing. Was the local, state and federal resources that went into this project a bad expense? Should the govt. have done nothing? Do you think this particular project with these particular kids would have gone forward without the assistance of public funds?

Could this project been accomplished without any govt. assistance? (I mean other than the fact that it was started by children attending a publicly funded school, and receiving the encouragement and leadership of the teacher - a govt. employeee). Maybe. Knowing the area and demographics as I do, I would suggest, however, that it is unlikely.
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If they believed in the project then yes it would have. I'm not saying the Fed. goverment did anything wrong I'm saying that the federal goverment is probably the most inefficient way to distriput funds. Why not keep all this grant money at the local level and not waist 30% of the money is my point. I also think thing like this happen because of people not because of the federal goverment.
I agree. I also think that governement, at all levels, can and should assist and facilitate the ability of people to make projects like this happen.

Again, you say there was a waist of 30% of the money. I am assuming you are just making generalities and don't actually know anything more about the specifics of the relevant transactions than what is revealed in the article. I am most certainly not arguing that the feds (why are you so hooked on the feds? I was just quoting the article) are efficient money distributors. I would suggest that sometimes, even with its inherent inefficiencies, govt. gets it right and when it does it should be applauded. Again, is that so hard to agree to?
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