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Old 09-09-2010, 09:44 AM   #31
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I hope your email to your mother in law was well received.

It sounds like your son may have a sereve allergy to smoke and he may have asthma too. Maybe he has other allergies. Do they have cats or dogs or carpet or are there other differences from your house? Is smoking the only possible culprit?
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Old 09-09-2010, 09:48 AM   #32
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^ I have dogs at my house they don't, the only other difference between the homes is the cigs.
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Good stuff Matty, will be printed out in placed at the in laws house. My wife printed up a ton of wallet size photos of my son and she is going to tape each one to ever pack in their "supply draw". They drive to VA once a month to stock up because they are too expensive in MD.

For the record I never got a response to my email from earlier in the week, SHOCKER!

I want to add in response to that article; we once let my FIL and BIL borrow our for Wii for like a week, when the Wii came back I just throw out the controls they were literally yellow, it was sick. They got wind of it and actually paid me back but still it was gross.

You really don't need to be sneaky and doing stuff like that? What do you hope to achieve by doing this instead of just handing them the material and photos? I wouldn't guilt trip them as it could make the angry and backfire.
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Old 09-09-2010, 11:45 AM   #34
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You really don't need to be sneaky and doing stuff like that? What do you hope to achieve by doing this instead of just handing them the material and photos? I wouldn't guilt trip them as it could make the angry and backfire.

At this point I feel like I am fighting for your lives and if this works so be it.
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Old 09-09-2010, 12:48 PM   #35
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I grew up all my life with my parents smoking. They made sure me and my brother did not. My mom still smokes and is (honestly) in the hospital with pneumonia and dehydration. Obviously not caused by the cigaretts but it's not helping her breathing for her to trash her lungs.

My wife is allergic to everything under the sun to include cigarett smoke. Her eyes also will turn red, get itchy, and sometimes swollen. My kids are in the same situation. Thankfully when I got married and had X-Mas at my house my mother decided on her own to take her cigaretts outside. I was overwhelmed by the respect my mother showed by going outside in the rain and smoking because of the no smoking in my house rules. I even went as far as to tell her she didn't have to go outside cause of the rain and she said no she was going.

On the flip side I feel sorry for the smokers, or atleast the older generations that got all caught up in the commercialization of cigaretts. Now they are hooked and instead of finding a better way to help them quit big government would prefer to treat them like outcasts and make them smoke outside no matter what the weather. Insurance companies would prefer to offer lower insurance to building that have a no smoking policy, and in some states making it illegal to even smoke outside in public.

What are there a bunch of people bored off their asses that have nothing better to do other then stir up trouble, or try to make a name for themselves? What will be next? Alcohol damages the liver so perhaps we should make it illegal to drink (again). Caffine hypes people up so maybe soda's should be illegal and perhaps we can takle coffie also.

Society just needs to understand too much of anything is not good for you. But we need to remember they are people also.
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Sorry but I have zero pity for smokers having to smoke outside. The best thing that happened in NY was when they banned smoking in bars and restaurants.
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Sorry but I have zero pity for smokers having to smoke outside. The best thing that happened in NY was when they banned smoking in bars and restaurants.

IT has been that way for a a little while here in MD, so refreshing honestly it is great.
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Old 09-09-2010, 01:20 PM   #38
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I grew up all my life with my parents smoking. They made sure me and my brother did not. My mom still smokes and is (honestly) in the hospital with pneumonia and dehydration. Obviously not caused by the cigaretts but it's not helping her breathing for her to trash her lungs.

My wife is allergic to everything under the sun to include cigarett smoke. Her eyes also will turn red, get itchy, and sometimes swollen. My kids are in the same situation. Thankfully when I got married and had X-Mas at my house my mother decided on her own to take her cigaretts outside. I was overwhelmed by the respect my mother showed by going outside in the rain and smoking because of the no smoking in my house rules. I even went as far as to tell her she didn't have to go outside cause of the rain and she said no she was going.

On the flip side I feel sorry for the smokers, or atleast the older generations that got all caught up in the commercialization of cigaretts. Now they are hooked and instead of finding a better way to help them quit big government would prefer to treat them like outcasts and make them smoke outside no matter what the weather. Insurance companies would prefer to offer lower insurance to building that have a no smoking policy, and in some states making it illegal to even smoke outside in public.

What are there a bunch of people bored off their asses that have nothing better to do other then stir up trouble, or try to make a name for themselves? What will be next? Alcohol damages the liver so perhaps we should make it illegal to drink (again). Caffine hypes people up so maybe soda's should be illegal and perhaps we can takle coffie also.

Society just needs to understand too much of anything is not good for you. But we need to remember they are people also.
You are missing the point boss, smoking harms folks around them those that yo ujust mention only harm the user.

Trying to defend smokers is a waste of breath.
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I grew up all my life with my parents smoking. They made sure me and my brother did not. My mom still smokes and is (honestly) in the hospital with pneumonia and dehydration. Obviously not caused by the cigaretts but it's not helping her breathing for her to trash her lungs.

My wife is allergic to everything under the sun to include cigarett smoke. Her eyes also will turn red, get itchy, and sometimes swollen. My kids are in the same situation. Thankfully when I got married and had X-Mas at my house my mother decided on her own to take her cigaretts outside. I was overwhelmed by the respect my mother showed by going outside in the rain and smoking because of the no smoking in my house rules. I even went as far as to tell her she didn't have to go outside cause of the rain and she said no she was going.

On the flip side I feel sorry for the smokers, or atleast the older generations that got all caught up in the commercialization of cigaretts. Now they are hooked and instead of finding a better way to help them quit big government would prefer to treat them like outcasts and make them smoke outside no matter what the weather. Insurance companies would prefer to offer lower insurance to building that have a no smoking policy, and in some states making it illegal to even smoke outside in public.

What are there a bunch of people bored off their asses that have nothing better to do other then stir up trouble, or try to make a name for themselves? What will be next? Alcohol damages the liver so perhaps we should make it illegal to drink (again). Caffine hypes people up so maybe soda's should be illegal and perhaps we can takle coffie also.

Society just needs to understand too much of anything is not good for you. But we need to remember they are people also.
So you're saying:
Every time someone drinks a Mountain Dew, an angel loses it's wings?
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Good stuff Matty, will be printed out in placed at the in laws house. My wife printed up a ton of wallet size photos of my son and she is going to tape each one to ever pack in their "supply draw". They drive to VA once a month to stock up because they are too expensive in MD.

For the record I never got a response to my email from earlier in the week, SHOCKER!

I want to add in response to that article; we once let my FIL and BIL borrow our for Wii for like a week, when the Wii came back I just throw out the controls they were literally yellow, it was sick. They got wind of it and actually paid me back but still it was gross.
There's some solid evidence they're NOT smoking outside, away from your son.
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Old 09-09-2010, 02:16 PM   #41
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So you're saying:
Every time someone drinks a Mountain Dew, an angel loses it's wings?
I guess they say the same thing about smoking?
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Old 09-09-2010, 02:33 PM   #42
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did you read the email I wrote to her? it is at the top of this page. I think it was very fair and both me and my wfie will follow up with a actually conversation. Since it is her mom she may go it alone but Ifelt Iwant my voice to be heard. My wife has begged my MIL to stop even when she was a child so I was hoping maybe if someone outside of their immediate family said hey this is actually hurting your grandson it might be the thing to put her and the rest of them over the edge to quit.
Here's something for your in-laws to think about: I was the same as your wife with my Mom, she smoked her whole life.....until she died at 71 of a smoking-related heart attack. Other than the smoking she was perfectly healthy. Another close family member on my wife's side passed at 58 from a smoking related heart attack, same situation, smoked all her life, otherwise perfectly healthy. Now my MIL, just turned 65, has advanced emphasyma, COPD, and untreateable lung cancer. If she survives until Halloween it will be a gift from God. Again, outside of the smoking related issues, perfectly healthy.

While all this is sad by itself, it has occured over a five year period and has exposed our son to close family members dying that a teenager shouldn't have to experience. I'm sure your in-laws love your son more than anything.....ask them if they want him to experience losing them long before he should.

If they're serious about trying to quit, Chantix has worked for a couple of folks I know. Expensive, but so are $ 5+ per pack cigs. Good luck. I wish you and your family the best.
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Old 09-09-2010, 02:39 PM   #43
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I'm not asking for anyones pitty I simply said I feel sorry for them. On a side note I understand the second hand smoke issue. But I feel that if I wanted to open up a bar with the understanding that it's for smokers but other may attend I should not be hindered by the state gov. telling my business can't have smokers ...inside. It's one thing to go to the bar which is set up for everyone and people having to put up with second hand smoke, but a business should be able to cater to smokers and with the knowledge that it caters to smokers not force them to smoke outside.

I hope I see the day that when smoking is finally banned, these groups turn their attention to alcohol. Alcohol kills also folks. A lot faster then smoking does. Between drunk drivers and pickled livers I can honestly see this being the next hurdle. But don't think your going to have the smokers simpathy when more of our rights start being eroded for the "better cause."

Whats my answer for the issue? I don't know. when I was younger I suggested business having a designated smoking area. The smokers got it..... they got pushed outside into the weather, rain, snow, heat, or cold. Now looking for the cheaper insurance business are taking on no smoking on the property period. I guess this forces the smoker to decide if he wants to keep his job or not, especially if he does not want to quit smoking. But to tell business that they can't open a business catering to smokers to give them a place to eat, or a bar to hang out, or simply a lounge (these tobacco shops), is obserd.

I'll gladly pay the higher insurances and open a bar for smokers..... but the gov. says no because of laws passed saying no smoking indoors period.
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No one is going to feel sorry for smokers. They can eat shit and die and this is coming from a former 3.5 pack a week smoker.
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^ I have dogs at my house they don't, the only other difference between the homes is the cigs.
Also think outside the box. My wife who is allergic to everything, not only was effected by my parents smoking, but we had animals as well. I know you said there is not difference but it might also be the type of dog. Some dogs carry more dander then others.

then there was the issue that my parents lived out in the country and my wife was allergic to Oak trees most of all but tree's, grass, and hay. In the country it's pollen city. My wife could only visit for about an hour to an hour and a half.
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